ugh. business as usual in shrubs world.

just like "free speech zones", a blatant chimpish smirk at the constitution.

It's this kind of insanity that means the rest of the world is NOT rooting for Bush/Cheney04.

As a T-Shirt I saw in Cambridge recently said, "Re-defeat Bush!".

FYI Cambridge is the epicentre of several US military bases - plenty of Kerry/Edwards bumper-stickers around there!!

:-)

Didn't the same thing happen to Michael Moore at the RNC? I believe reporters attempted to approach him and secret service surrounded him.

This is really getting scary!

P

I was present at the Colmar speech and felt that the protesters were treated appropriately. As usual the press is focusing on the 2 or 3 protesters and not the 1500 or so supporters. Were these people to act that way in your news building you would be the first ones calling security and having them escorted from your building. The simple fact is that they are disruptive and rude. Freedom of speech is one of our cherished rights but it seems that the protesters forget that with each right comes a responsibility. There are plenty of other means for people to voice their opinion. Your newspaper encourages this type of behavior by focusing more attention on the protesters than the simple fact that most times they are breaking the law. call them lawbreakers instead of "protesters".

You've missed the point completely, Ron. The real scandal here is not even how the protesters were treated, which may or may not have been appropriate, but that the press were prevented from speaking to the protesters.

thank you ruth but the heart of the issue is the press over emphasis on interviewing and glorifying the people who infringed on the rights of everyone else there and were rightfully ejected. if the press truly felt outraged they, i am sure, will file another lawsuit tying up our court system and adding to taxpayer expense.

Ron,

Because a journalist interviews a protestor, it does not follow that there will be a "glorification" of the protestor. The purpose of the First Amendment is to maintain a free exchange of ideas, so that citizens can make informed, democratic decisions. The Bush administration has shown its hostility to free exchange of ideas at every opportunity. I take this as a symptom of their hostility to democracy.

Soon I expect that journalists covering Bush rallies will also have to sign "loyalty oaths."

In addition, Ron also overlooks the fact that the Dana Milbank article describes other situations where people wanted to peacefully attend other Bush/Cheney events, but were prevented from doing so if they wore Kerry buttons, or anti-Bush T-shirts, or refused to sign loyalty oaths. They had no intention of disrupting the event. They only wanted to hear what their President had to say, and they were prevented from doing so at Bush's whim. You're right First Paradox, next the Secret Service and Bush's aides are going to prevent the press from talking to anyone at Bush/Cheney events unless they sign "loyalty oaths." The issue is free speech and the Constitution.

Here's the parody:

Secret Service = Bush's Republican Guard

And there are so many other similarities to Saddam, the list just keeps growing. Strange... like minded individuals usually get along.

On a lighter note, love the 007 picture (Ted, where are you - how's my sense of humor?)

Loyalty oaths? I've never heard of such hogwash!

Uh.. Lucas

The SS Loyalty oath;
We swear to you, Adolf Hitler,
Fuhrer and Reich Chancellor,
Loyalty and bravery. I vow to
You, and those you have named to
command me, obedience unto death.
So help me God.

I wondered where they came up with that idea...

Wow, comparisons to Saddam AND Hitler. And you guys wonder why you're losing.

Sorry Ron, you're way off base. It has always been the right of the people to be rude and obnoxious, as long as nobody is harmed and no laws are broken. You are just entirely dead wrong, and have no knowledge of U.S. law, or of the history of the country that you live in. On top of that, the press has the right to gather news, that's what they are supposed to do. When prevented by government agencies from gathering news at a public event, we are all subjected to government censorship. Protestor's not only don't infringe on others' rights, but have rights of their own. Obviously, you are in the wrong country. Try China.

You hang on to that thought Jeff...

The loyalty oaths already happened, weeks ago. People who wanted to attend Bush/Cheney Rallies were obliged to sign a statement promising to vote for them. Two undecided Republicans who wanted to hear what the president had to say, so they could be reassured, went away decided right then and there.

(It was just one of those poetic justice things that there was a massive typo in the middle of the loyalty oath.)

This was right about the time that they were asking for the ethnicity of journalists, and came up with lame excuses when the newspaper refused and publicized it.

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040909/capt.pajl10109091829.bush_pajl101.jpg

So, you think this was appropriate?

Do pics work in comments?

guess not

I would like to hear from Ron if he believes that Kerry should also be ejecting the people who show up to his (no ticket) speeches and blowing the airhorns and heckling? Maybe having secret service rough him them up a bit? Because it seems our guy can still communicate his message - even with idiot blowhards trying to steal the stage. Why can't GWB?

As previously noted:

The problem isn't removing disruptive protesters, it is actively discouraging reporters from talking to the protesters.

Imagine you were at a rally and couldn't help but yell out "bullshit" at some particularly egerigious lie. Security swoops down and removes you (which is understandable), and takes you away. A journalist at the event is wondering what pissed you off so much, so they head over to ask you, but security informs them that if they talk to you, they won't be allowed to cover the rally (which is the primary story the reporter is working on).

This is clearly obstruction of a free-press.

This place (America) just keeps getting more and more terrifying. But then, that's exactly what they want, isn't it?

Bert, which message is your guy communicating? the one that the polls dictate will be the most popular? or the one that says he proposes increasing govenment spending but wants to wait until after the election to explain how to pay for it all? Of course disruptive people should be ejected from large gatherings Bert. The Eagles do it and i don't hear you griping about that.

Ron continues to obscure the point with irrelevancies. Good work.

What amazed me even more than the lies coming out of our dear commander's mouth, was how conspicuous we (from ACT UP) were for being young and multi-racial. Some of us may have appeared nervous (I certainly was), but I think people couldn't believe there were people of color there who were not on stage as tokens- especialy more than one. Compassion (even with the queer-bashing left out) isn't colorblind apparently.

-Dan

Ron:

I have covered many public events in my career, and some have had protests at them.

I have never been prevented from talking to a person who had been removed from an event. In fact, I have conducted many an interview with people who were in handcuffs, having committed civil disobedience. At no time did a member of the law enforcement community attempt to stop me.

And, when the interview was complete, I was allowed in all cases to return to the main event.

This is out of bounds, but par for the course for a President who cannot be allowed to see that others disagree with him.

A guy who didn't win a majority last time and doesn't have a majority now does NOT need to piss off the national press. It is a huge political risk, as well as stupid.

(Incidentally, spare me the liberal-press claptrap. I'm a lifelong registered independent, and I haven't decided who to vote for yet, but the one that's the most truly conservative will get my vote. And that includes a conservative -- in the meaning of the root word "conserve" -- approach to civil rights, as well as money.)

InsultComicDog - Nope, sorry, as this is on a server connected to other Daily News / Inquirer servers we had to disallow active HTML in the comments for security reasons. People can cut and paste your URL, though. What event is the hair-pulling pic from? Not the one we're talking about?

...well, COPY and paste. You get the idea.

Loyalty oaths to King George are very much the W.rong way to encourage discourse.

It should come as no surprise that Bush would do something like this. The Republican Party has long demonstrated a certain nervous nature concerning those individuals who do not agree with their own ideas. It's evident by their aggressive, misleading arguments. Bush is only using his resources in any manner that is beneficial to himself. That is what he has done since he came into office and it is what he will do for the next four years if re-elected.

The abuse of the constitution is unsettling, obviously. What worries me more is what other instances of power abuse have occured without our knowing it, or being lead to believe something different was actually happening.

Interpret that however you please.

How laughable Ron, for you to show concern about the possiblility that Kerry would increase government spending. Ever hear of a little thing called "irony?"

Really, if you're capable, you should try thinking for yourself instead of just blindly repeating tired right wing talking points.

I have read and re-read all of the comments above mine and I have read the Dana Milbank article. First of all, there was not anything in the article that, as stated by Leslie, "describes other situations where people wanted to peacefully attend other Bush/Cheney events, but were prevented from doing so if they wore Kerry buttons, or anti-Bush T-shirts, or refused to sign loyalty oaths." I know people who attended the RNC and have attended several Bush rally's including the one we are discussing. They were never asked to sign an oath of support.

The hair pulling incident never should have happened. There are ways to remove someone peaceably and there are ways to protest peacebly. I'm not sure that either side was acting in a peaceful manner in this instance.

As for demonstrators being interviewed by the press....it is their right as protected by the First Amendment to tell their story...it is also my right as protected by the First Admendment to be able to hear it or not as I so choose. The fact that the members of the press were not allowed to return to the rally can be viewed as a matter of security not as a matter of censorship. As stated by James Borasi, "as a matter of standard procedure any journalist who went to talk to them would have left the "access zone" and would not be allowed re-entry." People should not be allowed to come and go as they please when attending these political rally's no matter which side it's for.

Senator Kerry should also be exercising the same priviledge to kick disruptive people from his rally's. If we can't hear the candidate's ideas because of people who want to have their voice heard no matter the cost, how can we make an informed decision.

Agree with the President or disagree with him...he's still the Commander in Chief and we must protect him from those who intend to do him harm.

 
Trespass charges dropped against Bush protesters

By JENNIFER BUNDY - The Associated Press

CHARLESTON, W.Va. -- Trespassing charges against two people who wore anti-Bush T-shirts to the president’s July 4 rally at the West Virginia Capitol were dropped Thursday because a city ordinance did not cover trespassing on Statehouse grounds.

Nicole and Jeff Rank of Corpus Christi, Texas, were removed from the event in restraints after taking off an outer layer of clothes to reveal homemade T-shirts that had President Bush’s name with a slash through it and the words "Love America, Hate Bush" on the back.

The Ranks were given summonses to appear in Charleston Municipal Court and released.

Charleston Municipal Judge Carole Bloom dismissed the charges on the motion of Assistant City Attorney Deloris Martin.

Nicole Rank, 30, who was doing environmental work for the Federal Emergency Management Agency in the wake of Memorial Day flooding in the state, was released from her position after her arrest without getting another assignment. She remains employed with FEMA.

Jeff Rank, 28, who is an unemployed oceanographer, was in West Virginia to be with her.

She said Thursday it is not uncommon to leave one FEMA job before being assigned another, although she had expected to work in West Virginia longer.

The couple said they were pleased with the case’s outcome and planned to return to Texas immediately.

Jeff Rank said the couple did not go the Capitol with the intention of being arrested. They are supporters of presumptive Democratic nominee John Kerry, but wanted to take advantage of an opportunity to see Bush and "give him a fair hearing."

"We certainly did not expect to be arrested for expressing our freedom of expression," Jeff Rank said.

He said they were not protesting in any other way than simply wearing the shirts and did not said anything.

Law enforcement officers told the couple to take the shirts off, cover them or get out. When they refused and sat down, they were arrested. They then stood and accompanied the police, said Charleston Mayor Danny Jones.

The Ranks said they have not protested at other political events and do not have any immediate plans to do so again.

"We’ll continue to exercise our right to free expression when we see fit. We’re not professional protesters," Jeff Rank said. "We’re going to get on with our lives and go back to Texas and get jobs."

Jones said, "I don’t think this was just about a T-shirt issue. There were other things going on there. The officers, quite frankly, feared for the safety of the Ranks."

Jones said the city officers who filed the trespassing charges were acting under the direction of the Secret Service.

"The officers are in a bind here," Jones said.

"I think we need some guidance. Perhaps the Secret Service should have been called and let the Secret Service do with them what they want," Jones said.

"The city of Charleston does not engage in violating people’s rights. We want everybody to come here," said Jones, a Republican.

Still, he said he would not apologize to the Ranks.

"They were there to get arrested. They succeeded."

Jones said he would talk to police before Kerry’s appearance Thursday evening at the University of Charleston. The Massachusetts senator was scheduled to appear at a rally on a lawn across the Kanawha River from the Capitol.

The Ranks were accompanied to the hearing by an attorney affiliated with the American Civil Liberties Union.

Andrew Schneider, executive director of the ACLU’s West Virginia chapter, said the organization has been monitoring a pattern of similar cases in other states. The ACLU in September filed a federal lawsuit against the Secret Service, seeking an injunction against the Bush administration for segregating protesters at his public appearances.

The Secret Service agreed to stop the practice, ACLU attorney Witold Walczak told The Charleston Gazette.

Schneider said, "This case demonstrates we will be out there watching and monitoring to make sure free speech rights are not violated regardless of political affiliation."
 
 

um, diane, the statement

"describes other situations where people wanted to peacefully attend other Bush/Cheney events, but were prevented from doing so if they wore Kerry buttons, or anti-Bush T-shirts, or refused to sign loyalty oaths."

is about ACTUAL events that have happened several times, and have been documented in many different spaces than this article. It is common knowledge that gw does not allow people who do not agree with him to go to his rallies.

the hair pulling incident is just one of many escalating events perpetrated by republicans on anyone who tries to protest gw at his rallies. at the rnc convention, a bush brownshirter kicked a female protester who was being held down three secret service agents. rising levels of physical violence against anyone who doesn't toe the bush cult of personality line will continue as the arguments become weaker and the lies become harder to ignore. Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent. When an angry bush supporter is unable to defend bush's lack of leadership/intelligence/morals, they need to resort to ad hoc attacks and physical deterrance, due to the lack of an actual argument, other than 'he sticks by what he believes'. what a wonderful argument. he has destroyed our country's reputation, is responsible for the unnecessary deaths of over 1000 of our soldiers for no reason, and everyone is sticking by him because of his 'convictions'. the only convictions related to bush should be the ones in the hague for war crimes against humanity, including torture and the murder of tens of thousands of iraqis.

how anyone could want four more years of kissinger-inspired violence and stupidity is beyond me, but if you are so ignorant and blind as to not see the constant repression of our 1st amendment rights by bush, then you can have him. I'm voting for kerry - not just because he is a great person and seasoned leader, but because he won't bring in all the nixon/kissinger students like wolfowitz, cheney, asscroft, perle and rumsfailed.

sheesh

I wonder if Ron and other people who think political protesters ought to be more 'polite' would also have railed against the political and impolite actions of the rabble rousers who dumped all that perfectly good tea into the Boston Harbor a few years back...Civil disobedience is not only the right of every citizen in a democracy, but the duty, when faced with injustice. Can't remember where this line came from but it goes something like, "If they come for me tonight, and you do nothing, they will come for you tomorrow"

Why hasn't the He-Man pulling the girls hair been charged with assault?

Or are there now 2 sets of laws?

Figures. This more or less goes back to the "dictatorship comment" W had made a while back, but we shouln't be surprised. It's no different than the lengths the administration has gone to in order to make the nation believe that the war on terror and the war in Iraq are the same thing. Open wide, drink the Kool-Aid...there ya go. That's a good America.

The Republican Hypnotic Technique!
By Wlliam Eon

The use generalizations like 911 to occupy the conscience mind and then they plant hypnotic suggestion straight into your subconscious.
These are old hypnotic techniques that are used by hypnotists and Carney Side Show Acts to put you into a trance.
They are using them on a mass scale hypnotizing the American people.
The techniques are used by G. W. Bush and Dick Chainy in all of their speeches. In one speech alone Chainey invoked 911 eleven times!
They repeatedly use generalizations and or rhetorical questions to shut down the conscious mind of their subjects and hypnotize the American people.
These techniques should be monitored and outlawed.
They are emanating from a propaganda ministry that is located deep inside the Black House.
The Republican speech writers and operatives are intentional hypnotizing and abusing rights of the American people.
They us rhetorical questions that have no answers repeatedly in the beginnings of their speeches to occupy your conscience mind with trying to answering them, then they plant negative hypnotic suggestions directly into your subconscious.
They use using established hypnotic techniques and suggestion to control large parts of the population.
These techniques were used on David Brancaccio by the Republican operative Luntz on the 7/2/04 Now Show on PBS.
Check out the transcript! Bottom of page 4.
http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript327_full.html
Beware the Republican agenda, first they stun you with 911, and then they,
Steal your soul.

(It was just one of those poetic justice things that there was a massive typo in the middle of the loyalty oath.)

Actually, haven't seen folks mention the grammatical errors also (or maybe not grammaticaly...syntactic?...the MEANING was garbled) because from memory, paraphrased, the thing said in the end something like "I support George Bush for reelection of the USA"
I remember thinking..."wait..the USA is not campagning for election, is it?"

Prozacul~

I wish you all would stop blaming and blaming and blaming the deaths of 1000 soldiers on Bush. That is like trying to say Henry Ford is pretty much responisble for all car deaths since the first car was invented, which is completely absurd. I make the decision, just as you do I imagine, to risk my life every day I get in my car, just as these soldiers knew they might, by joining the military. The point is these men and women felt a greater civic duty than your whining, finger pointing self ever will, and stepped up to the plate knowing they might have the chance to serve their country in a way that few men and women ever will. If you want to keep saying Bush caused the death of all these people I want you to show me where Bush made them sign up for military service, I want you to show me one instance in which a serviceman says he was duped into military service and then got sent to war. Even then, I still won't take the crap that Bush caused the deaths of all these men. Get past your liberal brain clot and realize that "insurgents", and people with the same goal you have, caused the deaths of these men and women, and if you don't see the relation yet, I say you helped cause the death of these men and women by fighting along side these "insurgents".

I feel that I must make a comment regarding a fundamental misunderstanding of the First Amendment on this blog.

The First Amendment guarantees several things, including the freedom of speech, freedom of expression, and the freedom of the press.

These points are important in this debate for several reasons:

1. Whether you are pro-Bush or pro-Kerry or just don't give a darn, what protestors do, don't do, say, or don't say is completely irrelevant to this entire debate. The freedom of speech is not about agreeing with someone's words or tactics--it's purely about being able to say what's on your mind without fear of government reprisals.

2. The First Amendment protects against governmental acts that impede upon the rights of all citizens of the United States. However, it does not prevent private entities from supressing speech or expression. This is why it's legal and constitutional to eject drunken, obnoxious slobs from an Eagles concert (a private event) but it's illegal and unconstitutional to squelch dissent and press access at a Presidential campaign rally (a public event).

3. Barring reporters from talking to protestors is the clearest example of a violation of freedom of the press. Even the most naive 1st year law student would be able to see this.

4. The First Amendment does not protect citizens' right to hear someone speak from another citizen causing a "disruption." Remember, the First Amendment only protects against government action; protestors are not government actors--the First Amendment DOES NOT offer protection from their comments or even their airhorns.

5. Let's all take a deep breath and remember what country we all live in. This is the United States of America, folks. This nation was founded on dissent, disagreement, and debate. Supressing any of these things is fundamentally against the spirit of our nation. Let freedom ring.

In reply to Prozacil,
The oath taken by our military forces states they will honor and serve thier country in time of war. It also states that the commander in chief will never send them into harms way unless millitary action is warranted. In Iraq, no milllitary action was warrated, Bush LIED to you, me and the entire world as to the reasons for this chosen war. Bush ss a liar and yes HE sent more than 1,000 of our honorable dedicated soldiers to an un-neccasary death, not to mention the 15,000 innocent Iraqi civilian deaths Bush is also responsible for. As almost the entire world hates Bush, history will not have ANYTHING nice to say about Bush.

Just to be clear on the issue of the Military Oath, here's the text, verbatim:

I, _________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

This oath (which I have taken, and under which I currently serve), says *nothing* about subjectively deciding when military action is warranted. I (like many of my brethren) have mixed opinions about our Commander in Chief, but I joined the Army expressly *because* of the fact that we were going back to Iraq to finish a job we started over a decade ago. I hear countless arguments about "where are all the WMDs? Bush must have made it all up!" which is frankly a bunch of B.S. There is extensive documentation of Iraq's nuclear weapons program, as well as its abundance of chemical weaponry (as seen in Halabja , Iraq on March 16, 1988): http://www.kdp.pp.se/chemical.html

Now, when the U.N. issues close to two dozen resolutions regarding disarmament and inspections which were given lip service at best, and does *NOTHING* to enforce its own rules, then it's ultimately up to someone like the U.S. President to say "enough is enough."

I remember Clinton doing something like that, ordering airstrikes in Iraq the day after the famous Blue Dress was sampled.

As a U.S. Soldier, I am proud and willing to be a participant in Operation Enduring Freedom. Give a junkie twelve seconds' warning to hide their drugs and you won't find a thing. We gave Hussein's government twelve years.

jafo, Iraq's no one said Iraq NEVER had chemical weapons. Of course he had weapons in the 80's - we gave him the materials to build them. It was no big deal (well, except to the rest of the world).

The issue is whether he had any WMD after 1998 - the inspectors from the IAEA and UNSCOM said there was nothing there. If Saddam did have chemical weapons remaining that he kept hidden, they would be utterly useless - their contents expire and he never had the means to develop systems which could preserve them. Twelve year old anthrax is as toxic as a Diet Coke.

Read the reports, kid. Think for yourself. There was nothing there. And if something is found, it will be too late. No one will believe we didn't plant the weapons, because no one trusts us anymore.

Jafo, that's a pretty misleading argument about chemical weapons. Bush and Cheney repeatedly said they knew precisely where specific stockpiles (e.g. 100 miles north of Basra) of specific amounts (500 tons) of specific weapons (VX, sarin etc...) were specifically stored. But after we invaded, the explanations of why we couldn't find anything aren't quite as specific anymore. Maybe he buried them in the desert. Maybe he shipped them to Syria. The evidence supporting such hypotheses is hardly compelling.

"If you want to keep saying Bush caused the death of all these people I want you to show me where Bush made them sign up for military service, I want you to show me one instance in which a serviceman says he was duped into military service and then got sent to war."

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - A decorated U.S. combat veteran filed a lawsuit on Tuesday asserting that the government can not prevent reservists from leaving the military when their enlistment periods end.

COLUMBIA, S.C. - Seven years ago, Lexington psychiatrist Charles Ham retired from the Army.

Or at least he thought so.

Then, the other day, he got a call telling him to report to Fort Jackson for a physical examination.
Ham, who wore a U.S. Army uniform for 41 years, knew 5,600 veterans who recently had left the service were being called up. But he never thought he would be on the list.
"You know, I'm 67 years old. Why do you need me?" Ham asked.

A Florida National Guard soldier returned to his base of deployment at Fort Stewart, Georgia, to face charges for desertion after refusing to return to duty in Iraq to serve as, in his words, “an instrument of violence” in an “oil-driven war.” The incident has provoked disquiet within the military establishment, feeding concern over the morale of US occupation troops.

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