I have often felt that Kerry's best strategy would be to run to the right of Bush on the WOT. I just don't know if he can do that without alienating the Deaniacs - which I think is against the WOT. I also don't know if Kerry can do that with his record of vacillation for the last few months.

One result I see from a Kerry loss is that Vietnam may finally die as an issue for politicians - except perhaps on nights in which there is a full moon.

I don't think the Deaniacs are going to abandon Kerry if he goes strong on the WOT. (Are they going to vote for Bush? Don't think so!)

The issue is whether the war in Iraq can really be categorized as part of the WOT. I would suggest that for the anti-war folks (me being one of them) the answer is that Iraq has NOTHING to do with the WOT, and in fact has increased the likelihood for future terrorism, not lessened it, along with diverting precious resources that we could have used to actually fight a real WOT.

But, let's also be cautious about over-conflating an OBL capture with "winning" the WOT. The headline you DON'T want to see in October is "OBL Captured! Bush Wins WOT!" His capture will really just be one small step. (And yet, after 3 years, Bush can't even accomplish that.)

The important message to get out there is that rather than seeing a DECREASE in terrorism since Bush launched his SCWOT ('so-called war on terror', apologies to Eric Alterman), we are not seeing any progress at all worldwide, and in fact we are likely going backwards because of his misguided policies:

Iraq is a mess
Afghanistan is in retrograde motion
Our "threat level" is still yellow-orange, so I guess we're not "safe" yet, are we?
Homeland security is a joke - pretty much underfunded across the board
North Korea, anyone?
Very few strong allies around the world
Muslim population enraged over our policies in Iraq and Israel
etc etc etc

I think the WOT is somewhat like keeping roaches out of a restaurant. You can never completely keep them out, but if you bring in an exterminator on a regular basis you can keep the roach population from going “critical mass.”

I view Iraq as roach prevention. I see it as an attempt to eliminate the place where terrorism breeds – the Middle East. If we can transform Iraq to a stable somewhat democratic type of government it has the potential to be one of the richest countries in the area. I think this will cause other Arabs to wonder why their country can’t be like Iraq.

There is clearly a lot of resistance to this. The job will be long, difficult, and very dangerous. And I don’t know if the American people, used to 30-second sound bites, have the patience for such a project.

The problem is there are no guarantees in this endeavor. But I think the alternative is to let the Middle East feaster like a boil until the poison from it infects the entire civilized world.

Today Kerry offered us an opportunity to use classic Rove tactics against Bush, except that his definition is the truth. Kerry defined this administration as the Excuse Presidency. Brilliant, now all questions posed to Bush can begin with "what's your excuse for....?" Predefining his answer as just another sorry excuse. Bush can be the butt of the ongoing joke, "what's his excuse for....? At last a soundbite definition that can stick. The Excuse President. That sums it up pretty well don;t you think?

The Dems have proven over and over that they're too weak to take on the GOP. The only thing that will bring the Republicans down is exposure of their role in 9-11. The 9-11 Truth Movement is the engine for a complete change of political culture in America. Kerry is a nothing.

Excuse Presidency! Yes! It will make an excellent one-liner to repeat over and over in the debates... "More excuses", ...

Not sure where "ted" is coming from (previous post to Excuse Presidency one), but trying to "eliminate" an area??? What? or WOT? He sounds like a GOP plant for sure, but not a very good one.

Bush will do anything and everything to win.
Stanley Hilton, attorney for the "9/11 Taxpayers' Lawsuit" claims to have concrete evidence--both documentary and eyewitness--that Bush personally signed the orders for the events of 9/11, and that the events were rehearsed ahead of time on at least 35 occasions. He's gotten sworn depositions from insiders in the FBI, FEMA, NORAD,and the Air Force, and they've leaked internal documents to him as well.If it's true, we're in for another

OK, so Kerry goes all out on Osama bin Forgotten. And then, close to the election, Rove contacts his buddies in Pakistan and they haul out Osama from where they've kept him on ice and claim they just caught him.

So then we have a whole line of attack by Kerry suddenly turned on its head. Kerry has blown his money on saying Dubya hasn't caught Osama and therefore he's a failure. And then Dubya "captures" Osama the same way he "captured" Saddam when it was convenient.

Prove to me that Rove hasn't thought of this. Prove to me that Rove wouldn't do this. You can't. If Cheney/Rove/Rumsfeld/Evil Bastards Inc. has Osama on ice, this is how it will play out, just as it played out with Saddam.

Kerry's strong point is that DESPITE all the warnings and the Aug 6th PDB, the attacks happened on Dubya's watch. What can Rove do to counter that? Say the attacks didn't happen? We don't know for sure if Kerry's plans to reduce the likelihood of terrorist attacks in future will work, but we DO know for sure that Dubya was an abject failure on 9/11. The worst attack on US soil since Pearl Harbor happened on Dubya's watch despite all the warnings he had been given.

"Stanley Hilton, attorney for the "9/11 Taxpayers' Lawsuit" claims to have concrete evidence--both documentary and eyewitness--that Bush personally signed the orders for the events of 9/11, and that the events were rehearsed ahead of time on at least 35 occasions. He's gotten sworn depositions from insiders in the FBI, FEMA, NORAD,and the Air Force, and they've leaked internal documents to him as well.If it's true, we're in for another"

Never heard of this guy.
Where'd YOU hear of this guy and this plot?
Sworn depos from insiders??
So, who was doing the questioning at these depos?
It's not something that would surprise me, but I'm wondering where you got this info.

It's arrogant, uninformed and dishonest to see the war on Iraq as "eliminating (!) a place where terrorism breeds". It's the US who helped put Saddam in power in the first place in the 1960's and who undergirds the corrupt ANTI-democratic Saudi Regime next door to Iraq and it was the US who overturned a democratically elected government in Iran when we brought in the Shah via a CIA coup in the 1950's. America is already re-installing Ba'athists in Iraq to make it "stable" (i.e.repressed) before the Nov. election. This is all well documented. Bush has made the Middle East & our own country a hundred times more unsafe by entering a culture he clearly doesn't understand. Abu Ghraib may be a bagatelle to reality-TV watchers at home but to Islam we are perverted colonialists. We need to get out of oil-based energy dependence so that hwe can get our heavy boot completely off the Middle East so that these "cockroaches" as Ted calls them can stay home and run their cultures any way they want. Stop sniffing glue. Bush has made these countries and the populations of our usual allies despise us. He's made America weaker.

Jimbo: If 9/11 was "planned," then how do you account for Bush's deer-in-the-headlights reaction while reading 'My Pet Goat' at a kindergarten when the planes hit? That didn't look terribly well-planned out to me. I despise Bush, but I don't think that even he'd go that far.

Speaking of which, the dems should REALLY put that footage in a commercial. It's exactly what's needed to discredit Dubya as a strong leader.

Why isn't Kerry talking about how American jobs are being expoted to cheap labor markets in India and China? And the Bushies support of giving tax breaks to corporations to facilitate this economic terrorism against US workers? Why isn't Kerry attacking Bush for allowing illegal immjigrants to sneak into our country? Does he suibscribe to Time magazine? He should be hollaring mad over the issue! Time to retool your message John and go after Bush before America becomes a Third World state. IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT?

Personally, I don't know why Kerry hasn't crafted a commercial using the footage from "Fahrenheit 9-11". The 7 minutes of Bush sitting mesmerized in that classroom are instant dynamite. It could be set up perfectly using Bush's MAIN "asset" against him; his decisiveness. Picture this:

Quick montage of Bush talking about the importance of decisiveness; "We can't hesitate in the face of terror...blah, blah, blah."

CUT TO: Bush sitting in the classroom, receiving word that "America is under attack." A clock begins counting the seconds in the lower corner of the screen. FADE OUT.

*This part I'm not too sure about, but don't the last segments of television programs (especially sitcoms) usually last about 5 minutes? If so, FADE IN after the show ends. The clock hasn't stopped counting. It's been over 6 minutes and Bush is still expressionless.

Finally, Bush is TOLD what to do, and leaves. Voiceover: "When America needed decisive leadership, George W. Bush failed the ultimate test."

CUT TO: A montage of Kerry's Vietnam comrades extolling his "quick thinking and decisive action under fire." I would also interview the former Republican Senator from Nevada, Hecht, whom John Kerry saved by using the Heimlich Maneuver in 1988. His doctors contend had Kerry not acted so quickly, Hecht would have been a vegetable for life. Again, "Kerry's decisive action when all others hesitated saved my life." "Every second is critical when you face a crisis."

I know the logistics of this commercial make it unlikely to happen. It's long, requires network cooperation, and lots of video clips, which are expensive. Still, I think Kerry has to show the American public that George W. Bush vapor-locked on 9-11. He has to show people how important those 7 minutes were to our National Security. If he can do that, he can still win this thing.

Kerry IS talking about the exportation of jobs, especially to those in the Midwest who are suffering the most due to Dumbya's economic policies. He talks about it constantly! The problem, Kerry Fan, is that of course our corporate media only covers a very small percentage of what he says.

I agree that Kerry's team should attack Bush on 9/11, especially on his actions before that day. For example, the 7 minutes of footage from Fahrenheit 9/11 are very powerful and I agree they should be broadcast on a continuous loop throughout the country; but what about the fact that he nominated Dick Cheney as head of a counterterrorism task force that, um, NEVER HELD ONE MEETING? What about the fact that the administration refused to meet with Hart and Rudman, whose bipartisan commission (created by Bill Clinton) produced a comprehensive report that recommended the creation of a Department of Homeland Security, among other things?

http://gadflyer.com/articles/?ArticleID=71

That, plus ignoring the August PDB, ignoring warnings from the CIA, Israel, Russia and other sources that bin Laden was prepared to attack the US using planes as missiles, well...explain to me why this guy is perceived as being strong against terrorism again?

Using OBL in an ad to hammer at Bush may backfire. I believe he's already in custody and if the Democrats come out with a Rovian ad as described, all the Bush folks have to do is roll out bin Laden. Mr. egg... meet Mr. face...

Unfortunately, I think the only way th beat these guys is to drag Count Rove out into the sunlight or stick a stake through his heart.

A better plan of attack than stressing bin Laden is still on the loose is to focus on Bush's reaction (or lack thereof) to acknowledged intelligence briefings concerning al Qaeda "determined to attack within the United States". As Clarke has said, the Bush administration was warned repeatedly about the prospects of "spectacular" attacks, yet never lifted a finger. They are even on record defending their obvious malfeasence with parsed talk that such warnings are "historical in nature", thus irrelevant. Bush's response to the morning briefing mentioned was to ignore it, then take the rest of the day off to go fishing.

Not only is this (in their very own words) evidence enough to convince the public Bush is ill-equiped and basically unfit for the job, the absurdity in trying to explain it away only further erodes Bush's so-called "credibility". Hammer this home, the best Bush can offer in response is a weak defense of indefensible ineptitude and a "promise" to do "better next time".

I also am worried about an "October Suprise" if Kerry and the Dems go too heavy on OBL as being the biggest of Bush's failures (as if there could be only one).

I think they have to hit him from EVERY angle ALL the time. And I think it's time to bring back "liars and crooks" as a theme. Every response from a Kerry spokesperson to a Bush speech should begin with "well, that's exactly what we would expect from the liars and crooks who have taken over the White House. Let's take each lie one at a time..." At first the press will claim the campaign is "going negative" but after a while it will sink in that the Dem's just are NOT going to back off.

The only way that Kerry can win and Dems can take back some power is by being as mean, ugly, viscious, and bloodthirsty as the Reps are -- or, if they can stomach it, even MORE so.

And, if they can't be, or won't be, then they don't deserve power.

Like a deer in the headlights. That's because they never tell him anything except when and where to shut up. And that approach only works part of the time because he's so f***in stupid.

I think your analysis is right on. Because not only are they playing Kerry's greatest strength as his weakness, Bush is playing his most heinous failure as his greatest strength.

Gather together Richard Clarke, the 9/11 family who have endorsed Kerry, and all the other high level critics of his "War on Terra." There are enough to fill a room.

I can't believe Rove has led everyone down the path in making this election about the 1960's. He's an evil genius. Because even if Bush looks bad, it was before his religious salvation, and it serves the purpose of taking attention away from his bloody, greedy and depraved foreign policy.

wgoeshome.com

Winning the SCWOT does not equal capturing Osama. The war in Iraq is not (no matter how often they say it) part of the WOT. Terrorism can not be "defeated", it CAN be increased and decreased. Attacking Iraq and the chaos that ensued, feeds the anger among Arabs and Muslims toward US and provides a training ground as well. Curbing Sharon, knocking down the wall and restarting dialog with the Palestinians would help to reduce it. Bush punted on the WOT in order to go into Iraq and that has made the whole world more dangerous. Not just the military and intelligence resources that were pulled from Afghanistan for Iraq, but the cooperation and support of our allies and others were thrown over the side.
One thing Kerry and everyone else this side of McCain must do is split Iraq off from the WOT and point out the rise in international terrorism since the fall of Baghdad. Very simply, Bush has made us LESS safe not more. Moreover, he and his team failed completely to protect US on 9/11. There will always be debate about whether they were part of the plot or were just totally incompetant, but either way, they blew it.
Jimbo's post contains it's fatal flaw:
"Bush personally signed the orders for the events of 9/11"
George W Bush wouldn't have signed any such documents, no one around him, Rove, Cheney, Etc. would have let him, now G H W Bush on the other hand, is a much more likely executive for such a plan, but signed documents? Nahh!

Markski -- I've often wondered about Bush's apparent surprise when he was informed that the second plane had struck the WTC. But recall that when Andy Card whispered the news in Dubbya's ear he then walked away without even waiting for a reply.

Just as a thought exercise, let's assume that Card wasn't expecting a response, because there was no need for one. He knew and Dubya both knew what was up.

My interpretation of the President's dazed reaction was never so much, "My God, we're under attack" as "Holy shit -- it's REALLY going down."

Maybe he knew, and it took two planes for it to sink in that he had just signed on to the greatest act of betrayal in history. Or, maybe he knew the plan, but no-one told him the exact day it would happen. (After all, he's not a great actor -- that book would've been shaking in his hands."

OR maybe -- and this is my pet theory -- Andy Card's urgent whisper didn't have fuck-all to do with the attacks. For all we know, what he said was, "Mr. President, we've misplaced the Killian memos."

They have Bin Laden, the bin Laden corpse or a fake version of same ready for an October surprise. Also, there were many rumors a few months ago that WMD's had been shipped in through Basra (Iranian papers and British soldiers who saw something suspcious come through). That will have left time for the dust to settle and for them to be carefully hidden. Bush has too much money and too many rich friends in dark places not to mention the Israelis.

Remember almost a year ago when George Bush said that the attacks at that time were indicating our success in Iraq? (‘Bush Calls Iraq Attacks a Response to U.S. Successes’ http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2003/10/mil-031027-afps05.htm )

He must be all beside himself with pride at the even greater levels of attacks (and therefore success!!) we are having a year later! He was dead wrong, but he didn't flip flop did he? Boy what a leader..

Sorry markski, I think I was typing my entry when you posted your suggestion about the "Classroom Footage." Didn't mean to try and steal your idea. Great minds thinking alike...LOL.

Here's a link to an interview that Stanley Hilton gave the other day.

This guy was Bob Dole's (yes that Bob Dole) chief of staff.

Here's an excerpt from the interview:

AJ: We’ll have to recap this when we start the next hour, but just in a nutshell, you have a lawsuit going, you’ve deposed a lot of military officers. You know the truth of 9/11. Just in a nutshell, what is your case alleging?

SH: Our case is alleging that Bush and his puppets Rice and Cheney and Mueller and Rumsfeld and so forth, Tenet, were all involved not only in aiding and abetting and allowing 9/11 to happen but in actually ordering it to happen. Bush personally ordered it to happen. We have some very incriminating documents as well as eye-witnesses, that Bush personally ordered this event to happen in order to gain political advantage, to pursue a bogus political agenda on behalf of the neocons and their deluded thinking in the Middle East. I also wanted to point out that, just quickly, I went to school with some of these neocons. At the University of Chicago, in the late 60s with Wolfowitz and Feith and several of the others and so I know these people personally. And we used to talk about this stuff all of the time. And I did my senior thesis on this very subject – how to turn the U.S. into a presidential dictatorship by manufacturing a bogus Pearl Harbor event. So, technically this has been in the planning at least 35 years.

this thing doesn't allow links? the url for the post is this:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2004/130904hiltontranscript.htm

My party's incompetency imperils our democracy. Don't blame Bush...his crimes against the nation are so obvious...that anyone should be able to make a case for voting him out. This is tantamount to a policeman finding a murderer with a bloody axe standing over his victim and yet cannot articulate what has happened...and is eventually accused of the crime. And the public believes it! God help our nation.

In reference to the suburbanite moms fearing that their children's school could be attacked by terrorists:

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Nazi, Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

In reference to suspicions that Bush knew before hand about the terrorist attacks on the USA:

Along with Bush sitting there for 7 minutes after being told that our country was under attack, there's more. When the reading session was ended, Bush went to an all purpose room in the school and spent an [additional 20 minutes] talking with parents and teachers, full well knowing that the US was under attack!

How does that grab 'ya?

And there is more. Bush has been warned and warned and warned, in the months preceding 9/11/01. So, why in the world of sane people would he have not known when the first plane hit the first Tower, and postpone the "pet goat" event, untill he was sure that America was not under attack.

He had been warned by Mubarak of Egypt in May 0f 2001 that Al Qeada was planning to fly a plane into the Genoa, G-8 summit site. (A plane, no- less). He was also told that the target was, specifically him; Bush, the younger.

Had I known all that Bush knew on the morning of 9/11, my first thought, when the first plane hit the North Tower, would not have been, "Gee, that must be a pretty bad pilot," as Bush says was his thought at the time. I would have thought, "well, damn, this is it. We have been hit", and I would not have gone anywhere near that school, but right back to Air Force One, where there is better communications equipment and a way back to Washington, where the President should have been at a time of Emergency, not hopping about the country like a panicked Jack Rabbit.

Think about it.

None of their stories about that day add up!

They knew! They knew, they knew!

The problem with "Roving" Bush on Osama is that the Rove camp may have bin Laden on ice waiting for that move. If the campaign begins to turn on catching Osama, then voila, they catch him after the Dems are hanging out with pointing fingers.

...and what about the presidential daily brief entitled, "Bin Laden determined to strike the US?" What about the Hart Rudman report [a 2 yr. investigation] that Bush and Cheney refused to look at. Hart and Rudman begged the White House to read the report that clarified how vulnerable the US was. Yes, there is great suspicion that Bush and his cronies knew there was going to be some type of attack. John Ashcroft was told not to fly commercially months before the attack. Others in the administration were flying in private corporate jets. There is some question as to whether Bush and his cronies knew of the magnitude of the attacks. They probably thought a few car bombs would be set off in various locations in the country, but nothing in proportion of what actually happened. We will probably never know the truth of 9/11. It will be just like the Kennedy assassination. The 9/11 Commission findings will be scoffed at just like the Warren Commission Report on JFK's assassination. Investigative groups continue to research the assassination today and the common thread among them is that the Warren Commission is a fairytale. My personal feeling is that it is pretty scary that we have unseen forces in this country powerful enough to order such atrocities. Yes, it is all about power and $$$. What disturbs me most is that too many Americans refuse or can't see what is happening to their country which gives credence to the philosophy of Hermann Goering [see post, 2 up.] Essentially, Goering, the high ranking Nazi war crimminal in Adolph Hitler's regime is saying that if you tell a citizens that they are being attacked and are in great danger, denounce the peace lovers as unpatriotic and a great danger to our country, the citzens will follow along like sheep. Isn't Goering's statement a blueprint of what we see in attitudes of Americans? Isn't Goering's statement a carbon copy of what we've seen out of this administration?

Excuse me, I'm on a roll. I have studied GW Bush 2 hrs. a day since he threw his hat in the ring for the presidency.

I've come to the conclusion that Kerry is in a monumental battle in his run for the presidency. He not only has to run against the administration slime machine, but the media too. We have a corporately run government which is protected and praised by a corporately owned media. That alone tilts the playing field to insurmountable odds against Kerry. I sure hope CBS sticks to its guns on the Bush Natl' Guard revelations. If Kerry can't get his messages out through the corporately owned media, how much have voting Americans missed. Ans: A lot!

Of course, the reason Kerry doesn't start laying it on thick over the missing Osama bin Ladin is that it COULD be the ultimate sucker play--just as you're getting the campaign ginned up to play this issue to the max, the Bush people pull Osama himself out of the cage they've had him in for two years and parade him down Broadway in chains. Voila, Karl! Landslide!

The heart of the issue -- the Republican Party is delusional... I am completely serious. 42% still believe Hussein was behind 9/11, and bush is pulling like 47% of the vote?! So Bush gets his support from the delusional and those making more than $200k per year.

"pulling a rove" can have no effect. Look at the Rathergate flap... Any republican will tell you that they were forgeries planted by Kerry/DNC... even though this remains questionable AND nobody has denied the content! But it doesn't matter, it's too late. Just as it doesn't help Kerry that now the Swifties have turned out to be full of it.

These people worship their great and noble masters, and can see no wrong in anything they do. They cannot be concerned about any mistakes BushCo has made, because they cannot see any. What they perceive is their great leader doing everything he can to protect them despite the ongoing unAmerican resistance from the commie/socialist/atheist/fascist,media dominating, left.

I would say Kerry must do whatever he can to bring down that 42%, or he has no chance whatsoever, the problem is I can think of nothing that he could do to get through to these people.

Hopefully, it's me who's deluded, from living out here in BFE with the rubes.

Jimbo is a plant. Dropping crap like that and then not responding is so very obvious. Just wants to get some bs started without anything to back it up.

Look it's obvious that bush knew something was going to go down before 9/11. We have all the proof of that anyone needs. It also seems very likely that bush intentionally ignored his own people about these warnings. I am not cynical enough to think that he knew exactly what was going to happen. I hope he isn't that evil but I do think he knew that something was going down and that his crew was more than wiling to sacrifice whomever/whatever for the soul purpose of turning that into what they wanted for their agenda. It worked so perfectly to have terrorist do something in America then who could doubt the bush re-actions, war with Iraq (which was planned before he was appointed president). This line of thinking is all very easy to surmise. All the evidence points to this kind of conclusion. So you want to rove-over the bushies, then time to get down and dirty.

WOT? bush'es accomplishments in that regard? What accomplishments?

I recall during Bush's first campaign he repeatedly talked about how weak the military was, how low military morale was, how he was going to boost the military, make the military stronger, etc. At the time it seemed a chilling foreboding of what was to come.

"This is a world that is much more uncertain than the past. In the past we were certain, we were certain it was us versus the Russians in the past. We were certain, and therefore we had huge nuclear arsenals aimed at each other to keep the peace. That's what we were certain of. ... You see, even though it's an uncertain world, we're certain of some things. We're certain that even though the 'evil empire' may have passed, evil still remains. We're certain there are people that can't stand what America stands for. ... We're certain there are madmen in this world, and there's terror, and there's missiles and I'm certain of this, too: I'm certain to maintain the peace, we better have a military of high morale, and I'm certain that under this administration, morale in the military is dangerously low." — Albuquerque, N.M., the Washington Post, May 31, 2000 (From the website: http://www.serendipity.li/more/bush02.html)

Enter 9/11, and bingo! He now has an excuse to rally the troops, America has come together in "patriotic rage", and Bush has the authority to make sweeping changes to government (i.e. the Patriot Act, etc).

It wasn't even October of 2001, and suddenly the news begins reporting on Iraq and potential connections. All I could think was, Oh no! They're gonna go to war!

Bingo! Bolster the Military! Ride the wave of patriotism!

It all seems so perfectly crafted. Thanks to Sukabi for the link.

in re: "the Republican Party is delusional... I am completely serious. 42% still believe Hussein was behind 9/11, and bush is pulling like 47% of the vote?! So Bush gets his support from the delusional and those making more than $200k per year"
and there is no budging this slice (except maybe from the right), don't bother. The Thug's followers aren't going to grow, they are maxxed out. Undecideds might swing to K or might sit on their hands, short of Osama-out-of-a-hat, Bush doesn't have anything for them. Save your breath for the %53 of eligible voters who don't. Find unregistered voters, sign them up, follow up with info and if necessary, a ride to the poll on Nov2. Many 18-to-22s aren't registered or if they are, they often aren't very motivated. The prospect of two or three more wars in the next term with the attendant Draft has a tendency to focus young people's minds, ya? (see Edwards' promise NOT to instate a draft) Get mail-in Voter Reg cards from Town Hall or the Post Office, carry them with you, you never know when you'll find someone to sign up. People who have moved or are living with fluid housing arangements (that is, semi-homeless or truly homeless) should re-register to make sure they haven't been struck from the rolls.(food pantrys, unemployment lines and labor centers, soup kitchens and other poverty relief orgs can be fertile ground). Any place that you find a group of young people, poor people, etc. is a good place to fish for voters. Older people on fixed incomes often already vote, but some don't, worth a try. Keep reprints of short, pointed articles that will resonate with your target pool, draft preparations for Jrs. Jobs lost, outsourced gets to unemployed and underemployed people, Anti-abortion and anti-gay bills and platform planks reach young singles, particularly Young Single Women(a highly under-represented and simpathetic sector). Bush guts Medicaid and raids on SocSec get senior's attention.
When you are faced with a wingnut that you can't duck, consider their concerns. Conservatives hate deficits, big government and iresponsibility. Perfect. $1 Trillion and rising, baby. The largest and most intrusive expansion of the govt. since FDR and a total lack of accountability for the failures (and expenditures) in the SCWOT.
As much as I tend to agree that Bush&Co acted in ways that alowed 9/11 to happen and may very well been part of the plot,(I've harbored suspicions about Poppy bush since the Reagan years) that argument doesn't win you any points even on the left and it paints you, as far as Cons are concerned, as a "nutcase conspiracy theorist"
Don't give in to Rovism, more acurately, Atwaterism. Eventually, lies are shown up and in recent years, the cycle has shortened, thanks in no small part to Bloggers & Internet media. Things that would take years to debunk are often dealt with in a few days now. The Thugs have the megaphone, our side is at some disadvantage, adopting their tactics will backfire, you can bet on it.
This may be democracy's fight for it's life, we need as much help as we can get, sign 'em up!
Peace

CV: We must fight fire with fire. I don't like it but it is (after all) what people listen to. You are right that we must do all of the things that you say but that may not be enough and I for one do not want to be standing there November 3rd saying we should have hit them harder. Let's hit them hard now and give everything we have and then we can at least sleep at night knowing that we gave it everything.

All of us want to prevail with the truth and utmost dignity and not have to "stoop" so to speak to their level. Ah if we only lived in a world like that (ask President Gore or John McCain). We as democrats must learn to fight the enemy on their ground to win. John Kerry made the offer for both sides to take the high ground and it was just a big waste of time, they cannot fight us on our ground because quite simply they know they would loose for sure. So we have no choice if we are to prevail.
We can return to civility after we kick their butts to the curb.
The American people will be very proud of President John Kerry's leadership and abilities and even more proud of how he takes our great country back to a position in the world of real intelligent leadership. But first we must get there.

Where do some of you people live? I come here to get comic relief, but today you have outdone yourself. Bush orderred 9/11 and there is docuentary evidence? Are you possibly that gullible, no, I won't be PC, are you that stupid? The conspiracy theorists just can't stop. Bush stole the election, Bush planned 9/11, Bush id hiding Osama. Jesus, thank god you nuts are only fringe elements. It is people like you that ensure that Bush gets 4 more years because no sane human would allow even a chance your persecuted mindset to get close to any position of responsibility. Stop reading gossip as gospel.

Reality Check how about a reality check please!
Stop reading Republican Gospel as your religion.

People can speculate with out being accused of being wacko.
The Jimbo blubbering is not the case to make your point with. He or it or whatever is obviously a nut case and not part of any kind of reasonable thinking person that I have ever met or known.
The other speculations here are just that and not evidence that anyone has a persecuted mindset.
How about this one RC: Bush told a bunch of big fibs to take our country to war and now we have over 1000 fine young American soldiers dead (as in never to be with their loved ones again dead) and America is again blogged down in a unnecessary war with more American soldiers being killed almost everyday. Now that's a persecuted mindset, that being the mindset that supports that policy with that course of action by a president that they vote for. For God's sake dude wake up. Stop lying to yourself and do the right thing by your fellow Americans instead of wasting your time cutting down people for their thoughts. You should be spending time making up for the reality of the mistake that was made when this president was allowed to take us to war without just cause.

Now that’s a reality check. Wake up to the reality of a real war that is wrong.

You say the Dems are paranoid and conspiracy oriented huh? Has it ever dawned on you that when an administration becomes so secretive and blatantly lies to hide truth, Americans are left to fill in the blanks the best way they know how? A simpleton could connect the dots on what has happened and is about to happen. We speculate from experience. We speculate that if Bush gets in again, he will reinstitute the draft. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. In fact if you go to the Senate bills at the US Gov. site, you will find that the Senate has already drafted the bill for reinstituting the draft. I think it is S89 or S98. It is sitting there, preplanned and ready for the prez to get it moving [after the election.] According to the bill, everyone 18-27 will have to go into some type of Government service, females included. It says the prez will decide whether the service will be armed forces or something state side. Now here comes speculation that comes from connecting the dots. US armed forces in Iraq are lean compared to what they should be. We are continuing to send GIs and guardsmen to Afghanistan. We are continuing to send Natl' Guardsmen to Iraq and Afghanistan and they are calling up Guardsmen who were to be released. The US is operating on a skeleton crew of guardsmen here at home because of the quagmire we are in. Now, do you think Bush is going to start the draft before an election? No way! Volunteers for armed forces are down. Our young people are not exactly beating a path to the National Guard and Reserves because Bush has been hustling them to Iraq and Afghanistan. So, if we can't get appreciable volunteers, isn't it logical that Bush will start the draft if he is elected. That's not paranoia. It's in the works. And if you think that college will relieve you of a draft, you're nuts. The bill states that everyone, 18-27 goes regardless of college or a consientious objector status. You will perform some type of service for the US government. If the bill says the draft will be directed by the prez, what do you think Bush will do with that type of power? Bush will send all of them into combat! And of course, there will be the special sons, daughters of senators and congressmen getting to stay stateside at the disgression of our AWOL prez who took advantage of a similar setup when it came to Vietnam.

If you don't believe me, find your way to Senate HB-89 and read it. It's sitting there just waiting to be enacted... sending more of our young to their deaths for Bush's illegal war!

Jimbo: If 9/11 was "planned," then how do you account for Bush's deer-in-the-headlights reaction while reading 'My Pet Goat' at a kindergarten when the planes hit? That didn't look terribly well-planned out to me. I despise Bush, but I don't think that even he'd go that far.
Speaking of which, the dems should REALLY put that footage in a commercial. It's exactly what's needed to discredit Dubya as a strong leader.
Posted by markski at September 15, 2004 07:34 PM

In response for the silent jimbo, I will provide a piece from a recent stanley hilton interview

SH: We have evidence both documentary as well as witness sworn statements from undercover former FBI agents, FBI informants, etc., that other officials in the Pentagon and the military and the Air Force that deal with the fact that there were many drills, many rehearsals for 9/11 before it happened. Bush had seen this simulated on TV many times. He blurted this out at a press conference in California a few months after 9/11 where he said he had, quote, seen the first plane hit the first building on the video. And that's not possible because there was no official video of that. There was one of the second plane not the first one. He had seen the first one. We do have some incriminating documents that Bush personally ordered 9/11 events. It was well planned. A FEMA official has admitted on tape that he was there the night before - September 10th, that is

AJ: And now Mayor Giuliani, a few months ago in the 911 Commission, admitted that - Tripod II. They had their whole command post already moved out of Building 7. Now, this is very, very important. This is a key area of this whole event. You said months before it came out on the CIA's own website and the Associated Press, you said I deposed people. They said there were drills that morning and exactly what happened, happening - that was the smoke-screen for the stand-down. And then to get out ahead of it, the CIA comes out and said yeah we were running a drill that morning. Now, we've learned that five, possibly six, were confirmed. Five of these - one drill with the exact same thing happening that actually happened, at the exact same time in the morning. That's why NORAD stood down with 24 different blips on the screen. You've said this. You brought this up first. Now, I know you can't get too much into detail but can you tell us how you learned of this?

SH: I have interviewed individuals in NORAD and the Air Force. I personally toured NORAD many years ago around the time that I worked for Dole. I'm very familiar with the operations at Cheyenne Mountain at Colorado Springs, where NORAD is. Individuals that work in NORAD as well as the Air Force have stated this, off the record, but the point is, yes, this was not just five drills but at least 35 drills over at least two months before September 11th. Everything was planned, the exact location

AJ: But five drills that day.

SH: That day, that day, and Bush thought it was a drill. That's the only explanation for why he appeared nonchalant

AJ: We also had NORAD officers and civilian air traffic controllers going, "Is this part of the exercise? Is this a drill?"

SH: Yes.

Now alright, I haven't talked or interviewed NORAD officers and Air force memembers and I haven't seen documentary evidence of it either. But this guy not only went to college with the neocons, he was also chief in staff for Senator Bob Dole. So you have to stop and wonder, where would this guy be to gain if he just came up with some bulshit? If he doesn't have any real solid evidence, why would he bring up the lawsuit in the first place? So, until I see some factual information that this guy has no evidence, I'm going to have to go with the crazy conspiracy theorists. So I must ask Reality Check, is it really us that's gullible, or is it people like you who believe that saddam was connected with 9/11, and whatever other bulshit CNN tells you?

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