Campaign Extra!: History repeating? -- the Vietnam-Iraq timeline

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History repeating? -- the Vietnam-Iraq timeline

"Why must we take this painful road? Why must this nation hazard its ease, and its interest, and its power for the sake of a people so far away? We fight because we must fight if we are to live in a world where every country can shape its own destiny. And only in such a world will our own freedom be finally secure."

Sound familiar? Those words were uttered by the president of the United States.

But the date was April 7, 1965. The president was Lyndon B. Johnson. And the subject was Vietnam. The speech was just 77 days after the start of the second Johnson administration, after the American people gave him a near record landslide with 61 percent of the vote.

By the end of the first year of Johnson's elected term (he served the last 14 months of John F. Kennedy's term after the November 1963 assassination), the number of American troops in Vietnam soared from 23,000 to 184,300 -- an eight-fold increase. Monthly draft calls were doubled in 1965. Car bombs exploded outside hotels, oil tanks were blown up, and mortar fire rained down on American bases. Insurgents controlled roughly half of the country. Casualties soared.

Now, just like in 1964, a president seeks another term in office while softpeddling the need to increase troops in a foreign conflict. This time, it's Iraq. There are some major differences -- major combat has already taken place in the Persian Gulf, and Iraq casualties are already much higher than they were in Vietnam six weeks before the 1964 vote. But for the most part, the parallels are downright frightening.

Already, there is open talk by the Pentagon of a major offensive against the insurgents in Fallujah in late fall. Already, members of Congress are learning of plans for a new mobilization of troops. Just like LBJ's escalation in Vietnam, these moves aren't planned until after the election, and after voters have rendered their judgement.

Here's a merged timeline of Vietnam in 1964-65 and Iraq in 2004-05. The Vietnam events are in italics, and the Iraq events are in bold. Most of the Vietnam entries come from an excellent timeline compiled by Vietnamresearch.com, a Veterans' project.

Keep in mind what another president, Abraham Lincoln, once said. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." But also keep in mind what The Who said in 1971, while Vietnam still raged:

"We won't get fooled again."

Aug. 4, 1964: The Johnson administration cites two unprovoked attacks by North Vietnamese gunboats against the USS Maddox and another American ship as a pretext for war. Only later is it learned that the Maddox was supporting covert raids by South Vietnamese commandos and that it was highly unlikely a second attack took place at all.

2002-March 2003: The Bush administration cites the presence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and the regime's alleged ties to global terrorists like al-Qaeda as a pretext for war. Only later is it learned that there are no stockpiles of unconventional weapons in Iraq and that no substantive links with al-Qaeda existed.

Aug. 7, 1964: Congress, at the behest of President Johnson, overwhelmingly passes the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution put forward by the White House allowing the President "to take all necessary steps, including the use of armed force" to prevent further attacks against U.S. forces. The resolution, passed unanimously in the House and 98-2 in the Senate, grants enormous power to President Johnson to wage an undeclared war in Vietnam. Among those voting to support the resolution are future Democratic presidential candidates George McGovern, Eugene McCarthy, and Hubert Humphrey.

Oct. 11, 2002: Congress, at the behest of President Bush, overwhelmingly votes to authorize President Bush to attack Iraq if Saddam Hussein refuses to give up weapons of mass destruction as required by U.N. resolutions. The measure, passed 296-133 in the House and 77-23 in the Senate, grants enormous power to President Bush to wage an undeclared war in Iraq. Among those voting to support the resolution are future Democratic presidential candidates John Kerry, John Edwards, and Richard Gephardt.

Fall 1964: President Johnson campaigns for a new term by telling voters he will not escalate the war by sending more U.S. troops. He says: "We are not about to send American boys nine or ten thousand miles away from home to do what Asian boys ought to be doing for themselves."

Fall 2004: President Bush promises voters that he will work to bring home troops from Iraq as soon as possible, saying they will only stay "as long as necessary, and not one day longer."

Nov. 3, 1964: President Johnson is elected to a full-term as president in a landslide over Republican Barry Goldwater.

Nov. 2, 2004: The U.S. presidential election. Currently, many polls show President Bush with a slight lead over Democrat John Kerry.

Dec. 1, 1964: President Johnson's top aides, including Secretary of State Dean Rusk, National Security Advisor McGeorge Bundy, and Defense Secretary McNamara, recommend a policy of gradual escalation of U.S. military involvement in Vietnam.

Nov.-Dec. 2004: American military commanders in Iraq are planning an escalating series of major assaults to retake control of Fallujah and other cities held by insurgents. "We need to make a decision on when the cancer of Fallujah is going to be cut out," an unidentified senior US commander tells The New York Times . "We would like to end December at local control across the country."

Dec. 24, 1964: Viet Cong terrorists set off a car bomb explosion at the Brinks Hotel, an American officers' residence in downtown Saigon. The bomb is timed to detonate at 5:45 p.m., during 'happy hour' in the bar. Two Americans are killed and 58 wounded.

July 29, 2004: A suicide car bomb tears through a downtown shopping area northeast of Baghdad as young men lined up to apply for police jobs, killing as many as 68 prospective recruits, commuters, and other civilians in the deadliest attack since the Iraqi government regained sovereignty. It is one of a rash of suicide bombings against Americans or Iraqis supportive of the U.S.-backed regime.

Jan. 20, 1965: Johnson takes the oath as president and declares, "We can never again stand aside, prideful in isolation. Terrific dangers and troubles that we once called "foreign" now constantly live among us..."

Jan. 20, 2005: Presidential inauguration.

Jan. 27, 1965: National Security Advisor McGeorge Bundy and Defense Secretary Robert McNamara, send a memo to the President stating that America's limited military involvement in Vietnam is not succeeding, and that the U.S. has reached a 'fork in the road' in Vietnam and must either soon escalate or withdraw.

September 2004: Foreign policy experts agree that for the Iraqi operation to be a success that the U.S. must escalate or withdraw. Gen. John P. Abizaid, the American commander in Iraq, told Congress "we will need more troops than we currently have to secure the elections process in Iraq that will probably take place in the end of January."

Jan. 30, 1965: Gen Nguyen Khanh stages a military coup against the already unstable South Vietnamese government, stalling efforts to bring democracy to the nation.

January 2005: Many experts are dubious that nationwide Iraqi elections can be held as scheduled, a development that would stall efforts to bring democracy to the nation.

Later in 1965: Viet Cong destroy two million gallons of fuel in storage tanks near Da Nang.

Sept. 15, 2004: Saboteurs wreck a recently repaired pipeline junction Tuesday and the fire sets off a cascade of power blackouts -- underlining the frustrations faced by U.S. engineers trying to upgrade northern Iraq's creaky oil facilities in the face of relentless bombings.

July 28, 1965: Monthly draft calls are doubled to 35,000 as part of a major troop escalation. "I have asked the commanding general, General Westmoreland, what more he needs to meet this mounting aggression. He has told me. And we will meet his needs. We cannot be defeated by force of arms. We will stand in Vietnam."

Sept. 17, 2004: Pennsylvania Congressman Jack Murtha says Pentagon officials told him that "at the beginning of November, the Bush administration plans to call up large numbers of the military Guard and Reserves, to include plans that they previously had put off to call up the Individual Ready Reserve.''

End of 1965: Up to 50 percent of the countryside in South Vietnam is now under some degree of Viet Cong control.

Sept. 7, 2004: Top Pentagon officials say that insurgents controlled important parts of central Iraq and that it was unclear when American and Iraqi forces would be able to secure those areas.

1963-1975: More than 58,000 Americans, and many more Vietnamese, die in the Vietnam War. Ultimately, U.S. troops withdraw without victory, clearing the way for a Communist takeover of South Vietnam. The war leads to violence and unrest at home, and a loss of American prestige abroad.

2003-?: Iraq War. It is not too late to change the course of history.

Posted on September 27, 2004 06:45 AM

Comments

Will,
You've got a typo, "Fall 1964: President Bush..." I don't think Bush was president then.

Posted by: Ted at September 27, 2004 08:10 AM

It's fixed. It's that there's been so many President Bushes, I got confused.

Posted by: will at September 27, 2004 08:22 AM

Hey, you've also got Jeb Bush as a possiblity in 2008.

Posted by: Ted at September 27, 2004 08:24 AM

Right...and don't forget Barbara or Jenna in 2020!

Posted by: will at September 27, 2004 08:48 AM

I don't know if they're quite, or if they will ever be, ready for prime time.

Posted by: Ted at September 27, 2004 09:04 AM

Here's interesting comparison I came across. Written by Lt. Col. Powl Smith, it compares Iraq to Guadalcanal.

Here's the link:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/669tqiiq.asp

I found it thought provoking.

Posted by: Ted at September 27, 2004 07:41 PM

Hi. I'm a first time poster to your site.

I read the Weekly Standard article. I'm not sure how thought provoking that article is, as many of the assumptions in the article are simply not true. I wrote a response that I sent to the Weekly Standard. I'll be surprised if I hear anything back from them!

If you're interested in seeing the response, I've posted it at:

http://students.washington.edu/silverst/ws.html

Posted by: Robert Silverstein at September 27, 2004 08:48 PM

Dig a little deeper and you'll find just what ties the both together.
Peter W. Brunner Hospital Corps Viet Nam 67/68

http://www.hermes-press.com/impintro1.htm

To answer that question we have to go to an almost unknown study in the
1920's prepared by a man named Herbert Hoover, later to become
President of the United States. The study showed that one of the world's
largest oil fields ran along the coast of the South China Sea right off
French Indo-China, now known as Vietnam. This was before offshore
drilling had been invented and before a man named George Herbert Walker
Bush was to become the CEO of a world-wide offshore drilling company.
So twenty years later and 57,000 Americans and half a million Vietnamese
dead, Standard Oil had enough data and the war in Vietnam could end.
Nelson Rockefeller's personal assistant, Henry Kissinger, represented
the U.S. at the Vietnam/Paris Peace talks and won a Nobel Peace Prize in
the bargain.

After the dust had settled from the war, Vietnam divided their offshore
coastal area into numerous oil lots and allowed foreign companies to bid
on the lots, with the proviso that Vietnam got a percentage of the
action. Norway's Statoil, British Petroleum, Royal Dutch Shell, Russia,
Germany and Australia all won bids and began drilling within their
areas. Strange it was that none of them struck oil. However, the lots
which Standard Oil bid for and won proved to have vast oil reserves.
Their extensive undersea seismic research appears to have paid off.

http://www.atipetroleum.com/exploration.htm

OVERVIEW

It is estimated that over 730 million barrels of recoverable oil and
over 2 trillion cubic feet of recoverable natural gas lie in Blocks 102
and 106 in shallow waters 70 miles southeast of Hai Phong Harbor in the
Gulf of Tonkin. The Blocks overlie the prospective Song Hong Basin.
Exclusive drilling and production rights have been granted to a U.S.
company founded by a Vietnamese-American.

Posted by: Peter W. Brunner at September 28, 2004 02:22 AM

Just thought I tell you that I linked this into my 'blog "The Next War"

Posted by: James D'Angelo at September 28, 2004 08:34 AM

I noticed that much of this writing is speculation, as its only September 28, 2004 as I write this.

Posted by: Nate at September 28, 2004 05:01 PM

A wise college professor once told me history does not repeat itself, human nature does. By comparing the Iraq conflict with the Vietnam conflict I think people are missing the larger point. The real lesson from Vietnam was that we can't force American value and ideology onto people that don't want it. This is what LBJ didn’t understand and President Bush seems to be making the same mistake.
Vietnam would be so much better off today if they had not resisted America during the Vietnam War. Just look at what we did for Japan and Taiwan. However The Vietnamese did not want us in their country. The same thing seems to be happening in Iraq. The people don't seem to want us their. American's can never understand this concept because every single one of us, including me, are infatuated with our culture and political system. However, some people want their own culture and ideology, IT'S CALLED NATIONALISM.
America was not able to obtain it's objective in Vietnam because of nationalism and the same thing may happen in Iraq. Military prowess can't defeat Nationalism. Just look out how the IRA was able to bring the British to their knees when they where one of the greatest empires the world had ever seen.

Posted by: Scott A Quinn at September 28, 2004 05:22 PM

Scott,
A well written and thought out post. I agree with your prof, human nature is immutable. WITHOUT EXCEPTION ALL HUMANS move away from pain and towards pleasure. The pain and pleasure can be physical as well as emotional. Humans will become slaves if it is less painful to be a slave than to rebel. For each one of us that threshold is different.

Military action as been less effective in the last 50 years because we have, for now, abandoned the concept of total war. Germany and Japan surrendered unconditionally because the alternative was extinction.

The problem with judging what is going on in Iraq is that we are all like the blind men feeling the elephant trying to figure out what it is. All we get are what makes the news and snippets from soldiers Blogging from in-country. How can we make a sound decision on what to do, when our data is so sparse?

Since human nature is immutable, and all humans yearn to breath free, do not the Iraqi's prefer freedom to Saddam?

Posted by: Ted at September 28, 2004 08:38 PM

Do you remember when the old man Bush was Vice President and oil prices were
in the gutter? I do. Do you remember what he did? He went to the Saudis and asked them to raise the oil prices on Americans so his Texas buddies could get profitable again.I told everyone who would listen if they put W in the White House it
would be the fox in the hen house as the Bushes only have their eye on oil revenue. No one believed me when I said with the Bushies in power oil would hit an all time high. Gee, and my friends won't even mention that now....

Posted by: Sam at September 29, 2004 12:13 AM

Another amazing parallel. LBJ had "Close ties" to Brown and Root. Brown and Root were contracted to construct air fields, roads, harbor facilities, etc. That company is now known as Kellog, Brown, and Root. Sound familiar? A Haliburton Co.

Posted by: Chip at September 29, 2004 09:06 AM

Another parallel. I'm not sure what Scott is saying about the Vietnamese resisting us. We were in Viet Nam to "Stop the spread of Communism. We were attempting to help the South Vietnam Army fend off the North. Problem was, they did not want to fight for their cause. They simply were not motivated. We are now finding the same thing in Iraq. The Iraqui people should have ousted Saddam on thir own years ago. Why didn't they? They were afraid. That's the reason they didn't help us when the insurgency started. It take courage to be free. It seems to be something many of them lack. Our fore fathers fought and died for our freedom.

Posted by: Chip at September 29, 2004 02:25 PM

Although the stated goals for both Viet Nam and Iraq are to bring freedom and democracy to the people, it must come from within. I cannot think of an instance where any nation was able to do that. As for the oil and natural resources of the area, that makes a great deal of sence. It always seems that making money trumps all else.

Posted by: Fred at September 29, 2004 04:02 PM

Sam,
You must have made a killing oil futures. What are your recommending now? Stay long or go short?

Posted by: Ted at September 29, 2004 09:45 PM

People can only be pushed around for so long. We probably have many countries behind the insugency in IRAQ as we did in Vietnam. Al-Queada doesn't exist its just states' fronts. The IRAQI's gave us a year to get help from the world but if they aren't with you then they will be against our growth, just as we did to Russia in Afghanistan. We missed our chance to win the IRAQ peace.

We won the war again like in Vietnam but the politics are losing the peace. THe new front is East Asia for the oil for sure and if it doesn't work in IRAQ we will go through NOrth Korea, its to bad we can't do it peacefully because business partners tend to stick together when making bank, but someone trying to take all usually gets beat in the end. I hope we can win Democracy in IRAQ but its looking grim.

Guaranteed if you haven't had power and clean water for a year and your house was bombed and family members killed, well unless you have no backbone you would be an 'insurgent' or 'terrorist' as well. People seem to forget basic human nature. We also think that they see it from our point f view and they don't. The main problem is that we cannot negotiate with a right-wing hawkish neo-con front. It doesn't work if someone wants to take all all the time.

According to Richard Perle the goal was to create "instability in IRAQ to help weaken the governments around them" to attack them later. We are in a cluster that is for sure.

See you at the concentration camps! Al-Queda is the Mossad.

READ THIS its hitory in the making : http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline

” The first step would be the removal of Saddam Hussein in Iraq. A war with Iraq would destabilize the entire Middle East, allowing governments in Syria, Iran, Lebanon and other countries to be replaced. “Israel will not only contain its foes; it will transcend them,” the paper concludes. [Guardian, 9/3/02, see the original paper at The Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies, 7/8/96] Perle will be instrumental is moving Bush's US policy towards war with Iraq (see September 17, 2001 (B)). - RICHARD PERLE

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