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In journalism, timing is everything -- and Campaign Extra! has always had lousy timing. So when we reported on Jan. 27, 2003 (as part of a long, and early, story about the dreaded PNAC) that Dick Cheney said back in 1992 that Saddam Hussein wasn't worth "not very damn many" American lives, nobody paid us much mind. That's OK -- we're used to it.
Now, a good and enterprising journalist named Joel Connelly has dredged (dredged, not drudged) Cheney's quote up once again, and it's getting some play. So here, in the public interest, is what Cheney said -- not once, but several different times -- 12 years ago. This is from a news briefing in May 1992 (key passages in bold):
We stopped when we did, and it was a unanimous recommendation on the part of the President's advisors, civilian and military, we stopped when we did because we had achieved our objectives. We had said from the outset that our purpose was to liberate Kuwait and destroy Saddam Hussein's capacity to threaten his neighbors, his offensive military capability, we did that. We destroyed about two-thirds of his army in that portion that he sent in to Kuwait and Iraq, and stripped him of most of his weapons of mass destruction.
We could have gone on. There is no doubt in my mind, from a military standpoint we could have sent forces on down the road to Baghdad, captured Baghdad, but I would expect in terms of trying to get rid of Saddam Hussein that it would not have been an easy task. I don't think it was the kind of situation where we could have pulled up with a paddywagon in front of the Presidential Palace and said, "Come on Saddam, you're going to the slammer." I think we would have had to run him to ground, and doing that in Baghdad or in a nation as large as Iraq would have involved a lot of US forces.
Once we rounded up Saddam, then the question is what do you do? You're going to put a government in his place. Presumably, you're not just going to turn your back and walk away. You have to put some kind of a government in its place. And then the question comes is it going to be a Shi'a government or a Kurdish government, or maybe a Sunni government, or maybe it ought to be based on the old Baathist Party regime, or some combination thereof.
How long is that government to be able to stay in power without US military support to keep it there? How long can we maintain the coalition?
Remember we entered into this activity with the support of 30 other nations. A very important part of that support was the support of other Arab nations who took up arms against a brother Arab state, who allowed us to operate military forces from their territory, who sent combat forces to fight alongside our people in Kuwait.
How long could we have maintained that coalition of Arab states if we had been involved in the long-range occupation by the US in Iraq? I would guess if we had gone on to Baghdad I would still have forces in Iraq today. I don't know how we would have let go of that tar baby once we had grabbed hold of it.
A final point that I think is very important. Everybody is fond of looking back at Desert Storm and saying that it was, in fact, a low cost conflict because we didn't suffer very many casualties. But for the 146 Americans who were killed in action and for their families, it was not a cheap or a low cost conflict. The question, to my mind, in terms of this notion that we should have gone on and occupied Iraq is how many additional American casualties would we have had to suffer? How many additional American lives is Saddam Hussein worth? And the answer I would give is not very damn many.
I think we got it right when we made the decision to use forces to liberate Kuwait; I think we got it right when the President made the decision, with my support and the support of everybody else, to stop when we did. And I, looking back on it now, think that the decisions both times were sound.
Cheney is such a two-faced liar. So is his 'boss'. It amazes me that anyone would vote for this administration again, knowing that these criminals feel there's no problem in lying to their faces EVERY GODDAMNED DAY! Must be the prozac or something...
Posted by: Ron at September 29, 2004 12:16 PMCheney et. al. just explain away this stuff as pre-9/11 thinking. And with the help of the lazy and complicit media, statements like this get virtually no play.
Of nearly equal weight is Colin Powell's statement in February, 2001. Speaking of Saddam: "He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors."
Full transcript of Powell's remarks are here: http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2001/933.htm
Contrast with this: "Iraq has to be disarmed," spoken on Dec. 12, 2002, here: http://usembassy.state.gov/islamabad/wwwh02121202.html
Of course, the WMD argument has similarly been brushed aside.
So while everybody "flip-flops," Republicans have successfully used the media to apply the label to Democrats only.
Could it be that Democrats simply are worse campaigners, moreso for the mediawhores who eat up the Republican sound bites?
Posted by: bobinkc at September 29, 2004 12:28 PMMost people flip-flop at one time or another so I don't hold it against Cheney that he did this. What I think is important to understand is WHY Cheney flipped-flopped. Back in '92 Cheney did not want a permanent US force in Iraq but now he does. The reason he wants it now is so that the US will have much influence in the region and one reason he wants that is so that we have a good chance at geting the oil.
Posted by: Romdinstler Jones at September 29, 2004 01:32 PMJoel Connelly is a local columnist and generally a centrist tool--sort of Seattle's answer to David Broder. So to see him actually show some cojones for once is heartening.
Posted by: TK at September 29, 2004 01:43 PMCheney flipped and flopped in another interview back in 1992 and it was posted on the SeattlePi site today:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/192908_cheney29.html
Taking Bagdad & capturing Saddam wasn't part of the war plans and would have unsettled the region, beyond what the war did anyway, even more if we drove into Bagdad. No flip-flop here. The things that everyone forgets is 9-11. 9-11 not only changed the playing field, but it changed the whole ball game. If you don't understand that you can't understand Cheney. Nice try....
Posted by: Chris at September 29, 2004 04:00 PMCheney should back a bipartisan piece that forbids war profiteering. Include complete independent audits of all appropriated funds.
Posted by: Mr.Murder at September 29, 2004 04:23 PMChris -
Perhaps it is worth mentioning that 9/11 occurred on Cheney's watch and was politicized in the form of a milestone that "changed everything." Considering the warnings and the conclusions of the 9/11 Report, it is quite likely that Cheney and Co. knew what was going to happen. So for them to cite a catastrophic failure on their part as a reason for another catastrophic failure seems a bit risky and foolhardy, even with a compliant press.
But war is peace and up is down, right?
Posted by: Enron Hubbard at September 29, 2004 05:55 PMChris,
I think you need to remember that the Bush administration was clearly hyperfocussed on Iraq before 9/11, so the flip-flop was not actually motivated by 9/11, unless of course they had prior knowledge. I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt and say the administration was ignorant of the terrorist threat because they were planning an invasion of Iraq.
To reiterate...Cheney flip-flopped well before 9/11.
Posted by: Enterik at October 1, 2004 10:10 AMChris--
We are all sick and tired of the Bush=Cheney gang using 9/11 as an excuse for everything they screw up.
How about some perspective: In 9/11, three thousand Americans died. So far, more than three times that many have been sacrificed in Iraq which had no connection with 9/11. Which is the greater national tragedy?
As George Orwell wrote in 1984, not only "War is Peace", but "Ignorance is Strength" - something Bush & Co. are trying to prove every day...
Posted by: farmer-dave at October 3, 2004 12:14 AMWhat was Cheney doing during his 5 Vietnam deferrments?
He was going to charm school/.
HA ha ha!
Bush and Cheney use 9-11 as an excuse. I would like to know if part of Cheneys energy task force talked about invading Iraq??? It's amazing to me that they try and say that they can keep us safer?? Why didn't they keep us safer when they had the chance, pre 9-11???. Bush was too busy on vacation to act on PDB that said OBL to attack inside the USA.
jc
Posted by: jim at October 5, 2004 11:04 AMYou people all bad mouth our current government like they did something terrible. 1000 American lives is NOTHING compared what we have paided in the past. Take Vietnam for example. What a mess that was. This war was nothing like that and our president did and excellent job to boot. You really think that isolating ourselves and waiting for the terroists is the way to go? Hell no we did it before WWII and look who came up...HITLER thats who. Saddam was this new age Hitler just with a lot less technology. Take the fight to them and destroy their buildings not ours. Basic military tactics, but wait none of you know any of this but all of you like to run your mouths. When we get bombed again when Bush is out of the white house you all remember that he did such a bad job. God save this country.
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