 | Politics "wid" a taste of Philly, by Will Bunch of the Philadelphia Daily News |
| Politics "wid" a taste of Philly, by Will Bunch of the Philadelphia Daily News |
7:42 p.m.: Saw an interesting promo on ABC's "World News Tonight," touting their upcoming debate coverage as, among other things, "Accurate." Can't imagine who else they might be referring to. I'll be back at 9...inshallah.
UPDATE: 9:00 p.m.: ABC News says it has an army of fact-checkers. Where were they when CBS needed them?
UPDATE: 9:03 p.m. Interesting handshake. Boy, is Kerry tall! Nice job sucking up to "plucky" Floridians. Wonder if he'd say that if this was Mississippi?
UPDATE: 9:07 p.m. Kerry gave a nice answer on Iraq -- too bad the question was about 9/11. Bush looks OK -- we think they've finally got his dosage right.
UPDATE: 9:09 p.m.: Bush: "People know where I stand..." Expect to hear that a lot.
UPDATE: 9:10 p.m.: Kerry: "We also need to be smart, Jim." Expect to hear that a lot. Also, he's playing the Osama card strong. Good line: "He outsourced that job, too." Also good -- Bush "changed his mind -- his campaign has a word for that."
UPDATE: 9:19 p.m.: Bush's big talking point: "Pre-Sept. 10th mentality." But W.'s answer misses the point. Inspections were working in Iraq -- they showed there was no nuclear program, and were unable to find other WMD. Also telling was that he almost called "bin Laden" "Hussein" His body language was bad when he had to mention Osama..."he's isolated. " Bush also on Iraq: "We will succeed -- we've got a plan to do so."
OK, what is it?
UPDATE: 9:21 p.m.: Is it just me, or does Bush look more like Alfred E. Neuman than ever before.
UPDATE: 9:25 p.m.: Good job by Kerry mentioning the 100,000 hours of untranslated tapes. And Bush really opened himself up when he said: "You better have a president who chases these terrorists down..." Uh, like Osama bin Laden.
UPDATE: 9:30 p.m. overview: Seems like they're playing a draw -- which is bad news for Kerry, who needs a clear win. Both men seem well-prepared...the most relaxed I've seen presidential candidates in Debate One. (also, Kerry just mentioned Vietnam -- surprised he did that). A lot of folks on this site may not like what Bush has to say, but he's playing very well to the support-the-troops-let's-not-consider-anything-else crowd -- and that's a lot of American voters.
UPDATE: 9:36 p.m.: Did anybody catch Bush's expression at the first mention of Halliburton -- looked like a serious case of acid indigestion? Seconds later he said of UN: "They pulled out after Sergio de Melo got killed." Uh, and how exactly did that happen, Mr. President? Also, it does seem like maybe Bush is overplaying his indignation at Kerry statements "denigrating" the troops and the war effort.
UPDATE: 9:45 p.m.: Bush is trying to look "presidential," but presidential can also look "arrogant," when you're not used to being challenged. His rule-bending may hurt him more than help him. I must say that Jim Lehrer is doing a good job letting things go with the flow. Also, it's good to see that W. remembers the name of one soldier that was killed -- wonder how many days of rehearsal that took.
UPDATE: 9:49 p.m.: "He's misled again..." -- Kerry's version of "There you go again, Mr. President."
UPDATE: 9:53 p.m.: Bush thinks that Allawi is "courageous and brave." When was that? When he was shooting those six prisoners, or when he was reading the speech that Bush's aides wrote for him?
UPDATE: 9:55 p.m. My own mother, one of my four valued readers, just declared Kerry the winner in the Comments section. Is that a subtle hint for me to do the same?
UPDATE: 10:00 p.m. overview: Kerry just landed a solid left hook by picking apart Bush's line about being attacked -- reminding everyone just who exactly attacked us in 9/11. Good follow-up with the 35-40 other more dangerous countries -- haven't heard that argument before. I think Kerry is pulling ahead here -- it's clear that his 20 years as a legislator have served him well. Also, Kerry fans -- not just my Mom but over at Atrios, who has some non-relative readers -- think the split screen thing is killing Bush. Will the punditocracy agree?
UPDATE: 10:07 p.m.: Kerry doing some serious truth-telling on North Korea. Bush does seem on the ropes a bit -- although I doubt the pundit referees will call it a knockout.
UPDATE: 10:14 p.m.: "That's a loaded question" on character -- you bet, W! You cannot lead if you send "mexed missages" -- there's the line of the night. I can already see the bumper sticker: "Stop Bush's Mexed Missages!" OMG! OMG! Bush "trying to put a leash" on his daughters. Wonkette's going to have a field day! [Ed. Note, 10/1: Yep.]
UPDATE: 10:16 p.m.: Kerry wants to talk about "nuclear proliferation." Is that just a ploy to get Bush to say "nucular" a lot?
UPDATE: 10:19 p.m.: Important note -- Bush has said twice that "we've busted the A.Q. Khan network." Sort of. But the Pakistani nuclear scientist doing deals around the world was allowed to remain a free man. What type of message does that send to terrorists?
UPDATE: 10:32 p.m. pre-pundit punditry: Well, no gaffes (unless you count that Barbara and Jenna "leash" thing) and also no really memorably zingers. Bush did look less comfortable -- lots of blinking and heartburn expressions. Can people really want to have a beer with this guy? Actually, we thought Bush looked better that his recent, awful deer-in-the-headlights speeches and press conferences. If you're biased toward Kerry (hi, Mom!) you have no doubt that he won. He was confident, on message, and scored some solid blows on North Korea and Iraq. OK, time to watch the "pros."
UPDATE: Some 10:40 p.m. ABC punditry: You'll be shocked to learn that George S. likes Kerry, saying he "answered the flip flopping more with his demeanor than with his words." Martha Radatz also mentions how Fallujah was botched under W. Terry Moran says Bush "managed to get through his main points" -- you'll be hearing that a lot, although he admits the flip-flopping charge wasn't sticking. The pundits are really dwelling on Kerry -- I think he's going to get the call.
UPDATE: 10:41 p.m.: Giuliani spinning away on NBC -- he gets the "mixed messages" right, at least. Still trying to spin Kerry as a flip-flopper -- not so sure that'll work when viewers get to see Kerry for themselves.
UPDATE: 10:47 p.m.: Getting more hints that Kerry will be annointed. We're hearing that Joe Scarborough on MSNBC -- a former GOP congressman -- is even calling Kerry the winner. And apparently even Fox is finding it hard to pump up Bush -- they're described the prez as looking "annoyed." OK, looking forward to the instant polls.
UPDATE: 10:48 p.m.: Kerry wins big in poll! But no minds changed...for now. That may change tomorrow around the water cooler. ABC has Kerry winning 45-36, with 17 percent saying a tie. Checking other nets.
UPDATE: 10:55 p.m.: John Roberts on CBS-- "close to a draw." He does slam Bush now for saying insurgents were fighting "vociferously" and for seeming hesitant. How is that a draw? Also, Bush is getting a lot of flack for claiming 100,000 trained police in Iraq. Was slightly off on ABC poll -- here's the numbers again below 45-36 Kerry.
UPDATE: 11:03 p.m.: OK, going home. Hearing that several focus groups of "undecideds" went well for Kerry -- we'll see how the spin goes round for the next 48 hours. Unless some blogger uncovers an amazing Kerry gaffe, I think it'll be hard to knock him down.
Where did Bush learn a 25 cent word like vociferously (although he didn't exactly get the nuance right).
Posted by: Ruth at September 30, 2004 08:49 PMWill, for Chrissake go over to C-span. They are showing a split screen and Bush looks like Captain Queeg. Kerry is destroying him!
Posted by: Mom at September 30, 2004 09:16 PMI agree that the split screen makes Bush look really bad - the problem is, how many people are watching this on C-Span?
Posted by: Ruth at September 30, 2004 09:48 PMI'm watching it on ABC and it's a split screen.
Posted by: Chuckamuck at September 30, 2004 10:09 PMChuckamuck, what did you think, then? Was the split screen on the whole time?
Posted by: Ruth at September 30, 2004 10:15 PMGreat job Will. We all know who won. Let's see if that win lasts. Keep up the good work.
Posted by: Chris at September 30, 2004 10:40 PMRuth - I only came in to watch the TV around 10:00... couldn't take more than that of watching Bush... but it seemed as though it had been that way the whole time. It was great to watch Kerry smile (if awkwardly at times) while Bush talked, and then see Bush fuming and making his stupid-looking annoyed chimp-mouth while Kerry scored points.
Kerry's "look you in the eye" thing was a great gambit too, because when it came Bush's turn to wrap it up, he started blinking like a madman, very close to once a syllable... I can't imagine that doesn't have some effect.
Posted by: Chuckamuck at September 30, 2004 10:58 PMJust found this board. Good work! Wish I had known you were here last night while the debate was going on.
Memorable lines from Bush -
"I know how these people think. I deal with them every day." Who are "these people?" and why do you feel you have to "deal" with them? Sounds like a disgruntled postal worker.
"I know how the world works." (Yikes.)
"They don't get to decide American policy. I decide...I decided..." (democracy begins at home)
Does anyone know what a "transhipment" is?
Biggest opportunity missed by Kerry -
After Kerry mapped out his commitment to increase funding of First Responders and other domestic security issues, Bush replied with "I wonder how my opponent plans to pay for all that..." which was rich coming from the man who has brought the national debt to record levels. Kerry could have jumped all over that.
Bush facial expressions - A chimp eating a sour banana.
Why, oh, why do the repubs keep asking the question "how can the troops support a man who doesnt support the war?" - did they hear the "Kerr-Bear" when he talked about the Pottery Barn rule? You break it you fix it. He wants to finish the war there, he doesnt support Bush's plan and way he handled the war. Its pretty simple.
Also, WHY is no one mentioning one of the key points that Kerry raised. Bush didnt deny that he had long-term plans for Iraq...to me that is horrible. Kerry clearly said we will win the war and get out. By not denying long term interests Bush basically is saying "yeh, well we want to enjoy the spoils of our victory now." Its not your oil Dubya. It's Iraqs.
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