 | Politics "wid" a taste of Philly, by Will Bunch of the Philadelphia Daily News |
| Politics "wid" a taste of Philly, by Will Bunch of the Philadelphia Daily News |
The most powerful Republican in Philadelphia (how's that for an oxymoron) is now caught up in the GOP Block the Vote scandal here, all because of a comment he made to U.S. News & World Report.
The official in question is Pennsylvania House Speaker John Perzel, who represents a rowhouse neighborhood in Northeast Philly and is considered the most powerful GOP figure in Harrisburg. He's also very active in local politics. Here's what he told the magazine:
"The Kerry campaign needs to come out with humongous numbers here in Philadelphia. It's important for me to keep that number down."
Perzel's remark comes just a week after Republicans launched an unsuccessful effort to move -- at the last possible minute -- 63 polling places in Philadelphia, 53 of them in overwhelmingly black neighborhoods.
Campaign Extra! reached Perzel on his cell phone last night, and while he refused to respond directly to Democratic allegations that he wanted to suppress urban votes, he insisted he was only talking about boosting the GOP tally from 2000, when Bush received just 100,000 votes here. “Our goal is to get more Republians out this time than last time.”
OK. But as the article also notes: “Perzel is challenging many of the more than 100,000 registered Democrats in Philadelphia. His campaign office sifts through city databases for double registrations, people with the same names and same birthdates--but maybe different addresses--who are registered twice. He's finding plenty and filing challenges to them all. "
Democrats say urban vote suppression is exactly what Perzel is talking about. "Surely Perzel cannot be proud to belong to a party whose success depends on people not voting," said Rebecca Kirszner of the Democratic get-out-the-vote drive, America Coming Together.
As usual the Left Wing Propagandist is transferring his side's own sins onto the other side. The only "Block the Vote" drive going on in Pennsylvania is the same only one that went on in Florida in 2000- the Democrat machine is trying to disenfranchise overseas military personnel because they are too wise to vote for Demos. Because of the ambulance chasing on the part of Democrats to keep Nader off the ballot, the absentee ballots are going out late. But the right honorable Ed Rendell is giving no extension to the military voters overseas. What a peach of a guy! And what excellent coverage of the facts from Bunch!!! Give that man a job in the Orwellian Ministry of Truth!!!
Matt Dedinas
3rd Infantry Division (1996-1999)
My first political activity, at age 12, was stuffing mailboxes with Clark-Dilworth fliers in in 1950 to rid Phila. and Penna. of the Repug plague: it looks like they're back.
Posted by: Brian Boru at October 25, 2004 11:50 PMPresident Bush
Family Wealth from Nazi Regime---
C Student----Cheerleader--- A.W.O.L. D.U.I .--- Connecticut Drivers License Number Change ---Ranger Stadium Taxpayer Fleece----Karl Rove, Nazi PuppetMaster--- Harkin Energy SEC Violation--- Midland TX., Rape Capital
of the US.---Abstinence Only Education Cocaine---Odessa TX., Pollution Capital of the US----Insane Faith in White Male God Cheney/Haliburton/Enron Secret Energy Task Force--- Accomplice to 9-11---- Bin Laden Escape--- Iraq Lies--- Economy Lies, Lots of Other Lies----Adversion to Condoms----Torture---- Refusal of 2004 Pre-Election Medical Examination---High Treason---6000 Scientific Documents Deleted---Very Bad Debating Skills---- And Now, the Hump!
America, Planet Earth and Humanity Deserve Better :
John F. Kerry for President
Posted by: Christy at October 26, 2004 01:41 AMThe stuff about Bush and the Nazi regime is a nice bit of propaganda.
What's the "White Male God"? Who do you worship?
Can you explain some of the babblings you've listed here? You'll have to elaborate on all the stuff you've made up.
Matt Dedinas
3rd Infantry Division (1996-1999)
Matt- if you can't see past the surface, then you're already in Bush's pocket. How's the view?
Posted by: rcaiello at October 26, 2004 04:02 AMIn response to the uninformed Cato, yes, the Bush familiy does have ties to the Nazi's.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1312484,00.html
Posted by: daace at October 26, 2004 07:36 AMMatt, Repuplicans such as yourself are casting their "assuring the vote" efforts as if they are preventing Dem fraud, but really they are doing anything they can to keep people from voting. What's with the 63 challenges to move precinct locations? And all of them -- all 63 -- in heavily Democratic districts? What purpose could that possibly serve but to confuse voters and bring the Democratic vote down? I'd be interested to hear your reason.
Seniors who are registered Democrats are getting calls in their homes saying that they don't need to go to their precinct because they can vote over the phone "right now", or are getting calls from people claiming to be with the elections board informing them that their voting precinct has changed. The voter registration scandals all over the country, private detectives hired to openly videotape early voting sites in heavily Democratic areas... I mean, what more do you need?
Listen, I'm a Dem, but I can see the Republican side to many things as my family is generally conservative. BUT, you've got to be ashamed at these voter-suppression tactics. It's un-American, and especially shameful coming from a campaign that is claiming to be God's Chosen Answer.
Matt Dedinas comment that there exist a well founded "Ministry of Leftwing Propagandists" demonstrates once again how clueless these dittoheads are.
Get a life Matt - or do you find your neo-facist ideology "snug as a bug" in the military?
Try reading, you'll find that helps.
Hi Matt Dedinas
3rd Infantry Division (1996-1999)!
I'm laughing here and making fun at these Kerry's off spring. I laughed so hard CBS and all other news media didn't even bother to check their facts in regards to their NEWS BREAKING STORY " 380 Ton Missing and now this."
Their newsbreaking story was so stupid and did you see how all news media followed suit! Like dominos, they all fell on their face-Big Time!
John Kerry's insults to President Bush yesterday, I hope he's having a bad hair day and he's gotta be feeling like a total idiot today. Ha Ha Ha!!!! His adviser from CNN should have known and prevented Kerry's BLUNDERS! Ha Ha Ha! Not! Hello! Any Body Home?
Posted by: sandy at October 26, 2004 08:58 AMPOOR DUMB CATO.
WHY DON'T YOU TRY READING SOMETHING SO YOU KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, LOSER. YOU HAVE EVERYTHING INVERTED. YOU MUST BE LISTENING TO RUSH AND GETTING YOUR NEWS FROM FOX. DON'T YOU KNOW IT IS A FACT THAT BUSH SUPPORTERS ARE LAPPING UP BUSH PROPAGANDA WITH A SPOON AND 7 OUT OF 10 BELIEVE THE LIES?
FACT:
NO WMD.
FACT:
NO AL QUEDA/SADDAM CONNECTION.
FACT:
BUSH LET 380,000 TONS OF EXPLOSIVES GET LOOTED
FACT:
BUSH ORDERED TORTURE
FACT:
I DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO LIST ALL THE CRIMES
FACT:
YOU ARE AN IDIOT, CATO
Yo, please don't post comments in all-caps. Thanks.
Posted by: admin at October 26, 2004 09:46 AMOur Military men and women have every right to vote! It's bogus that they're fighting for our freedom from terror and this is the thanks they get?
It seems people have forgotten 911 when terrorist murdered over 3,000 innocent people on US soil.
Well, John Kerry succeeded, being an anti-war activist. Kerry managed to brainwashed his followers and they all sound just like him too.
Any solider who tosses his medals and testify against his own Vietnam Veterans while at war with the Vietnamese. He's no Leader! He's a Traitor! He is dangerous and he'll cause the very same harm to our military exactly the same way he did to our Vietnam Veterans and POW's.
Thanks to Kerry, many of our Vietnam Veterans life in prison just gotten worse! Many of them died because of John Kerry's false testimony about the atrocity, burning of villages, rapping that suppose to have taken place on his watch! He Lied.
What a coincident Huh? Anti-war against Vietnam then. Anti-war agianst our military today!
Liberals are so afraid of our military because Bush has 76% support and their votes. Kerry less than 17% support. That's why they're trying to disenfranchise our military. Our military and President Bush have a better understanding about this war. Kerry doesn't, he's still living in the past and Kerry's voting track record in congress proves that too.
Posted by: Ted at October 26, 2004 10:29 AMRegarding Brian in post #2, it's sure good you rid Philly of the Repug plague. Things are so much better these last fifty years. Idiot.
Posted by: jeff at October 26, 2004 10:35 AMso far no facts on this page, the two party system has entranced you all. fact is, both kerry and bush are the same people, they both are the figureheads of the d and r parties, both of whom want nothing more than to control the american people.
wake up folks, they are even influencing you to fight one another, so that they don't have to.
if you want real change, abolish the two party system and electoral college. show the lies of all both kerry and bush and seek real 'will of the people'
vote no confidence in the write of your ballot
Posted by: Jeff at October 26, 2004 11:08 AMWhy has the United States not suffered another major terrorist attack since the 9/11 atrocity? Supporters of President Bush’s aggressive, militaristic approach to the problem of international terrorism will view this fact as proof of its effectiveness. Another explanation is possible. Perhaps the radical Muslim jihadists of the world are waiting so see if the American public endorses President Bush’s policy of preventive and selective war or will repudiate it.
The United States remains very vulnerable to terrorist attacks. It cannot be argued that the ever increasing numbers of Iraqi civilian deaths, especially women and children, are enraging millions of Arabs and Muslims worldwide. It is the policies of our government, including the uncritical support of hardliners currently controlling the government of Israel, that motivate terrorists to mass murder.
Those who support the President’s “shoot first, figure it out later” foreign policy might consider what the future may hold. The Pentagon reportedly is seriously planning for an aerial attack on Iran’s nuclear installations and missile encampments, as Israel did to Iraq in the 1980’s. Russia has just completed work on a large reactor project in Iran and has sold the Iranian government missile technology and, by many reports, tactical nuclear weaponry. According to more than one source, Iran possesses the Russian made “Sunburst” missile, which carries a modest nuclear warhead, travels at twice the speed of sound at an altitude of a few hundred feet and is mounted on a mobile trailer. If it were launched from Iran, it would impact Tel Aviv within eight minutes with slight chance of interception. It could also be targeted at US troop concentrations in Iraq.
Are you prepared for a nuclear exchange in the Middle East? Are you prepared to accept the instantaneous loss of tens of thousands of US military personnel? The ongoing struggle in Iraq is looking increasingly like the occupied territories of the West Bank. Are you prepared for shopping mall suicide bombers in Des Moines? Violence begets violence. It seems that human beings, when slapped in the face, inevitably find ways to slap back. I would urge supporters of this administration to consider the ramifications of their support for the current “War On Terror” operational model. The slope toward nuclear war has never been as steep or as slippery. This election may be our last chance to pull back from the abyss.
I won't insult anyone for being suckered into voting for Bush but the man is a disgrace to our country, its people and true democracy. I look forward to all of his non-millionaire supporters working late into their 70's (military supporters,especially Iraq veterans,unfortunately, have too many health problems to live that long) because of this insane/deluded individual's fleecing of America. No matter what fox or others tell you, we did not have to fight this war. I challenge any person that makes under 100k per year to show me something "real" that W has done for them
Posted by: latour at October 26, 2004 12:35 PMbrisa:
That's "Sunburn" missile. Official designation: SS-22N Moskit.
Posted by: damage at October 26, 2004 12:47 PMA note to Matt Dedinas, 4 yr Army veteran--
Let me be very clear about one thing as a serving member of the armed forces:
Shut up, until you have something concrete or factual to talk about. You're embarassing yourself as well as your brothers in arms.
Also, to the civilians out there--the military is not an even cross-section of the American people...it can't be. Our organization is traditionally federalist with a strong conservative history and a mission that seeks to prepare us for what most of us hope will never happen: war. It's a demanding role. However, make no mistake about it: we are not stupid. We are citizens and humans as well as soldiers. When you disregard us all as fascists and make the assumption that we, a not insignificant segment of the population, are beyond the reach of reason or any sort of rational discourse, you make a fool out of yourself and cheapen the central proposition which we offer up our lives to protect: the idea that an informed populace empowered with the right and ability to vote can elect representatives to account and provide for the welfare of all its citizens--in short, democracy.
Do not curse your brother for stupidity in one breath and then one-up him in the next. It's irresponsible. It lessens you as well as the rest of our vast citizenry. It weakens any argument for freedom in this world. It cheapens what I do every day.
Feel free to check me back.
Anonymous,
I appreciate your attempt to wake Mr. Dedinas (4 year Army veteran) to the fact that regurgitating angry rhetoric is not helpful to anyone.
I also appreciate the fact that you're currently serving to protect our country, from everything I see, and what I've heard from friends who are likewise serving, it's not an easy time to be in this position. I wish you safety and strength, and will do my part to ensure that responsible leadership does not abuse the commitment of those in uniform.
And a parting thought directed to Mr. Dedinas...
You've chosen to post under the name Cato Uticensis, a long-dead Roman who chose to end his life when defeated by Caesar. What are your contingency plans for a Democratic victory? If you live in Philly, it might be a good idea for you to consider this possibility....
Posted by: jack-o at October 26, 2004 01:24 PMI'll never understand why republicans are so supportive of a dolt who was born with a sliver spoon in his mouth, avoided service in Vietnam and basically had it pretty damned easy thanks to Daddy pulling strings for him. F***er probably never really worked a day in his life, yet you guys act like he's some rough and tumble dude that succeeded by his wits (ha) and determination. You people will buy anything as long as it's got the right brand on it I guess...
Posted by: Tonio at October 26, 2004 01:57 PM"Why has the United States not suffered another major terrorist attack since the 9/11 atrocity?"
We have, it's call IRAQ.
Posted by: Jazzel at October 26, 2004 02:22 PMBush's grandfather had his bank shut down in 1942 for trading with the enemy, Nazi Germany. This is a fact. Bush money has always come from arms and war material dealing, it's how the family got rich, and they are still doing it today wiith the Carlyle Group.
Posted by: White Rabbit at October 26, 2004 02:42 PMThree of Four Bush Supporters Still Believe in Iraqi WMD, al Qaeda Ties
by Jim Lobe
[Long pasted-in text deleted - available here:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1022-01.htm ]
I'm tired of people in the military telling everyone else to shut up. As if we didn't have the right to give our opinion because we aren't out there "defending America's freedoms". If you're wearing a soldier's uniform, GOOD FOR YOU!!! Don't anyone in Iraq bitch about defending my freedoms. There was nothing to defend my freedoms against in Iraq. The whole freedom-defending thing was a sham sold to the ignorant masses here in the U.S. so they'd support the war. So if you believe the terrorists "hate our freedoms" and that's what you're defending, you're watching too much Fox News and it's time to get a grip on reality, as ordinary, glory-less and unheroic as it is. When was the last time a country, any country, actually tried to invade or conquer the U.S.??? So I'm sorry but you're NOT defending anyone's freedom. You're facilitating the Bush administration's imperialistic ambitions, nothing else. So get off your high horse! Your opinion isn't more important just because you're in the armed forces and got your life on the line. People join the military of their own volition. The worst thing of all this is that Bush, who abandoned his responsibilities in the air national guard (which his daddy got him into so he wouldn't put HIS life on the line in Vietnam - that's what the poor kids are for), has abandoned you as well. He's cut veteran's benefits. He failed to properly arm all the kids he sent to Iraq to get blown up. And he's gotten over 1000 soldiers killed over there to make himself and his friends rich. Is that a worthy cause??? Poor saps, these military folk... supporting their own worst enemy.
Posted by: D at October 26, 2004 05:09 PMI would like to know from the Bush supporters out there: Why do you think we went into Iraq? Wasn't it to prevent WMD's from getting into the hands of terrorists?
Well, what do you have to say about the 380 tons of explosives that were looted from the Al Qaqaa weapons site in Iraq? That site was guarded before we invaded with too few troops, and was looted WHILE UNDER OUR SUPERVISION, despite the excuses the White House is currently giving.
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/world/2864932
Personally, I think it is patriotic and American to be as well-informed as you can be before you cast your vote. Voting with your "gut" or "instinct" only is dangerous, and getting all your information from one extremely biased source (Rush? Fox News?) ensures that you don't have all the facts. Our enfranchisement was hard-won in blood and guts, and we should strive to be worthy of our founding fathers by being the best American citizens we can be.
Thank you and let's remember, we're all in this together.
Posted by: madamab at October 26, 2004 05:14 PMWe're suppressing the military votes so bad thats why we counted hundreds of illegal ones in Florida back in 2000.
OH SNAP - HE DID NOT JUST SAY THAT.
Yes, he did. Any anyone who was watching the news during those fateful days can probably remember what really happened.
Posted by: Liquid Indian at October 26, 2004 05:17 PMI wonder if Matt Dedinas will enjoy his veterans benefits being cut off by George Bush, or one of his relatives coming back in a body bag from Iraq just so that Dick Cheney can stay rich? Some guys just love to vote against their own best interests. Not me. Bush is a coward. He can't even allow opposing views at his rallies... because he "loves freedom" so much. Kerry fought valiantly and keeps fighting. Down with Bush. Long live the United States of America!
Rob Moitoza
U.S. Navy Veteran
I think we're still forgetting that many military people are following orders and do not necessarily agree with the tasks that they "must" carry out. I also feel that many of our citizens don't truly understand how much criminal activity (Iraq war, etc) we carry out or facillitate around the globe.
Politicians, media personalities and the like are not geniuses nor are they perfect. They are also only human beings who can and will lie or distort the truth to promote their own agenda.
We need to get back to people of this ilk who will promote equality, education and an inclusive society. That was what this country stood for once upon a time. Let's forget about this fake machismo (guys so macho, they beat women for leaving the relationship), ignorance (many can't balance a checkbook or tell you how to navigate the internet) and material worship (someone driving a fancy car doesn't mean they actually have money).
All of these neurotic forms of behavior will only get worse in our society under the current administration. This is still the best country in the world and we, the people, need to take it back!!!!
Posted by: latour at October 26, 2004 06:19 PMTHe LAST people who should have any say in society are military personnel OR veterans.
There's a REASON the military is under civilian control in the USA. Anyone who has undergone basic training in any of the armed forces have been brainwashed and cannot think for themselves, creatively or independently.
It's the duty of Americans today to socially spurn military vets who have served in Iraq, to call them "babykillers" to their faces, to rumble with them in the streets, if for no other reason than to point out they weren't fighting those arabs for my freedoms, for 9-11 OR for any threat to the USA.
Those boys and girls didn't join up to "defend America" but to get the $$$ to go to college. Mercenary f**ks who couldn't make it outta the dumbed down public school system with decent grades. It's only the dumbasses that would torture the people at Abu Grabass and then claim they were just following orders. Nice job, grunts. I'm SO proud of you. Sorry about your missing arms/legs/genitals. Here's your Purple Heart, just ask the GOP how much THAT is worth...
US OUT OF IRAQ.
Posted by: Blahblogger at October 26, 2004 06:49 PMIf this site doesn't show how bush has poisoned and divided America, I can't think of one better. I've been an independent thinker/voter all my life and I have family serving in Iraq and Affgsn. Their letters home break my heart. During Vietnam my fiancee complained that the south vietnamese would not fight for themselves. 2 weeks after his death I got a lastletter from him, and he was disgusted. he had seen other marines rape and kill civilians, burn hooches needlessly. I can only imagine his final pain. When I saw the GOP convention hand out "purple heart" bandaids just to mock Kerry, I cried. Don't these consrvatives have any conscience trivializing the purple heart of men like my guy? I've seen too much in this life. All of you who support Bush's purposefully divisive tactics, Jefferson & Lincoln warned us. If this poisoning division of American people continues, we will have no democracy to defend. Please wake up to what is going on. Find the facts, not the twisted sound bites, before it is too late.
Posted by: motherjones at October 26, 2004 08:06 PMMust say this is quite a cool site and quite a spirited discussion. My 2 cents. 4 years ago i proclaimed to my psych classmates that no matter what anyone did or said, george bush would be elected. unfortunately in the face of such irrefutable facts pointing to mismanagement, deceit, and even conspiracy, i do not feel that the majority of the american electorate has the inteligence or the will to change the outcome of this election either. in any case i would just like to encourage all of you who are still free thinkers to be as active in your communities as possible in any capacity. this is real political power, the power to change your world today and it still resides with us.
Posted by: john at October 26, 2004 08:40 PMWhy haven't we been attacked since 9/11? The same reason we weren't attacked UNTIL 9/11. Planning takes time, and success takes planning. It was 10 years since the last attack on our home soil, and we are much more alert now than before 9/11. Also, there is no need for an attack right now. The US is losing world support, we've been shown we can't practice what we preach when it comes to nation building, and the debt we are running up threatens to weaken us more than any terroristic attack ever could.
The United States is in danger of crumbling as a world power because the Bushies arrogance and agenda of superiority is isolating us and weakening everything that made us strong. He who lives by the sword dies by the sword. It is the effort to avoid the use force at all cost and to pursue peace first that has seperated us from the rest of the world, We used respect and communication as a beacon to show the world through the troubled waters and into the calm of peace.
We have now become no different than those we have condemmed, and we have lost the world's respect and trust in the process.
To our soldiers, I say thanks for your bravery and dedication. We are in your debt, but it is true you have been through a brainwashing, and your view is distorted by the need of what you do to be right. How else can you kill another unless you are sure you have a superior cause. If the decision to put you in harms way is not valid, then neither is the taking of lives.
Do not hate your civillian brothers who are standing up to those who control your fate, and are abusing your trust in the process. Do not think of us as devaluing what you do, but rather as brothers in war who have your back and are fighting those who abuse your commitment to your country.
We are one people with different responsibilities. Ours is to question authority and demand answers that are true. Our elected leaders are supposed to answer to the people and represent our will and desires. That is something you are not allowed to do in the military, and for good reason. So we are doing it for you, because we are all brothers in arms when it comes to protecting our country from attack, whether from an outside enemy, or one from within.
Bush and his henchmen had failed the public trust and therefore must be relieved of their power to do so again.
Posted by: Tired of the Noise at October 26, 2004 09:32 PMHi folks, to the military guy who said the military vote is being supressed by dems--it is the Bush admin who is creating problems now because they have found that (unlike four years ago) the military vote is likely to go against them. Our troops have seen the reality and they are out there underprotected and forced into a bad situation and are coming home to cuts in veteran's benefits. Where are the wounded being held? We won't see many of them back in society until after the election. The ugly truth would lose Bush even more votes.
Posted by: kela ma at October 26, 2004 10:16 PMas my cabbie said yesterday in Brooklyn (after discussing the fact that many of his friends and family have moved their money to other countries):
Bin Laden is no dummy. He sits quiet, and doesn't have to do anything. Bush does all his work for him. No cost to him! Now the whole world hates Americans, and the US is bankrupt and nobody takes their money there anymore and Bin Laden just sits and waits and sits and waits and the US goes broke all by itself. Some smart guy, eh? Make your enemy destroy himself! Bush is the dummy, I think, no? (my transcription of his remarks).
Why has the United States not suffered another major terrorist attack since the 9/11 atrocity? Often I here Bush supporters site the fact that we have not be attacked again as evidence of Bush's success in the "War on Terrorism". This is an unscientific assumption.
Terrorist attacks are a rare event. The first world trade center attack occured on 2/26/1993. This was the first major attack by foreign terrorists on US soil. Nearly 8 years later the second attack occured on 9/11/2001, so the average interval between foreign terrorist attacks is about 8 years. It is not possible to say whether or not we are safer 3 years after 9/11/01 attack. We can't tell the future. We could be attacked again tommorow. If 8 years elapses before the next terrorist attack we can say we are as safe as we were before 9/11/01. If several more years go by without an attack we can say we are safer. Right now we can't say anything. The jury is still out.
Brain dead fools like Matt Dedinas, Ted, and Sandy have destroyed the Party of Lincoln. I understand why you all strongly identify with Bush. He is an idiot just like you guys. I'm glad Ed Rendell didn't let any ballots go out with Ralph Nader's name on it. He is a Republican shill. They funded him. The modicom of repect that I had for him is gone. He is a piece of human waste to me. We should shave his head like the Nazi sympathizer he is.
Too bad you aren't still in the army, Matt. If you believe in this war so strongly, why not re-enlist? Why don't all you freeper idiots volunteer?
Posted by: FormerRepug at October 26, 2004 11:41 PMMatt needs to get a draft notice.
Posted by: Bob X. U.S. Army (ret) at October 27, 2004 06:46 AMCome November 2nd (and a lot of people will join me on this), I've got an exit-strategy plan for George W. Bush, seeing as how he lacks one for the mess he's got us in over in Iraq. So many of our soldiers died over there, thinking that they would join the military to get payback from 9-11, and Bush sent them to the wrong damned country. I'm sick of this man's arrogance when what he should be providing is ANSWERS. ANSWERS to the victims of 9-11, and why, when the longest previous response to a domestic air threat was 10 minutes, it took 34 minutes to scramble the fighters on 9-11. ANSWERS as to why Condoleeza Rice wasn't fired when she LIED to the 9-11 commission. ANSWERS to how someone could now claim to be "standing with our troops in the face of danger" when "My Pet Goat" seems to be great reading material for a president while thousands of your citizens are dying horrifically. ANSWERS to what the hell happened to the WMD's and where HUNDREDS of tons of explosives went. ANSWERS to where our national surplus went. ANSWERS to what happened, what REALLY happened in Abu Ghraib, not who's job you're trying to save. ANSWERS as to why heads haven't rolled in this administration as a result of systemic failures in government...but then again, we know why.
GEORGE BUSH HAS FAILED AMERICA, and has been trying to wash the oil off his hands with American blood ever since.
Interesting summary:
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20041108&s=facts
Posted by: D at October 27, 2004 03:16 PMJ Johnson- I bet I read more than you do, and certainly better quality works too. So, in the military people are fascists? You are an ignorant ass. First of all, fascism (aka National Socialism) is just a form of socialism, which is what your side is for. Read a book, piglet.
Liquid Indian- "anyone watching the news knows they did (disenfranchise voters other than the military)."
That's the problem, Indian. Watching the Liberal Media, you really don't have any idea what's going on.
Madammb- It is your side that is relying on a biased source, the same sources that provided forged documents to unscrupulously influence the election and a paper that has been caught more than once just making up the news.
No, the weapons were not taken on our watch. Do you have any concept of how much 380 tons is? It would take a fleet of trucks many days to move a load that big. And some guy just coming there looting cant just put that in his pocket. And a formation of Saddam's trucks moving on the road at the time of the liberation of Baghdad would not have gone unnoticed. Think about it.
Blah- You are th brainwashed fool. And you are also a fascist that your side likes to accuse others of being. I've known Infantrymen who barely finished High School who's brainpower is alot stronger than your Liberal "genius."
Sandy- Yeah these folks are pretty nutty. They need a taste of the real world, for sure.
Navy Rob- For one thing, my GI Bill and military pay received generous increases after Bush got in. Thank God we got rid of the Hippy Draft Dodger.
And John Kerry is a traitor. He marched through our streets carrying a Viet-Cong flag. And what's more, according to his chain of command, who are members of the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth, he was one of the typical candy ass butter-bars who got good men killed.
We are not in Iraq to keep Cheney rich. Anyone who believes the "blood for oil" mantra is a brain-dead zombie with no knowledge of Arabic and Iraqi history and Baghdad's place in the Arab world.
Hey Anonymous, moral coward who wont give his name, who probably lives in his mother's basement and wouldnt last a week through basic training- I have been trying not to say such things any more, but here goes- KISS MY ROYAL LITHUANIAN ASS you poser.
First of all, dingo, if you subtract 1996 from 1999 you get 3, 1-2-3, not 4, ok? The Military doesnt take people who cant do simple subtraction.
Second of all, I served two years in the 2nd ACR and three years in the 3/124th (FLARNG). So that makes eight years. I know such addition is probably too complex for you.
Third of all, the soldiers over there believe in what they are doing. I have a whole lot of buddies who just got back. Nobody was saying the crap you are saying.
So go get lost before your mother discovers you've been using her computer.
Matt Dedinas
3rd Infantry Division (1996-1999)
Doug- The only people Republicans are trying to prevent from voting are dead people. And Mary Poppins, whose registration was paid for in crack cocaine by a Democrat Activist. This was Defiance County, Ohio, in case you think I'm making this up.
Pug- I've done my time and am no longer fit for sevrice because of health reasons. Have you ever spent a night away from your mommy's house? You are the braindead moron. People like you are turning the Land of Lincoln into the Land of Political Correctness and Socialism.
Kela- the military is voting 75% for Bush. They support him. Don't believe what Michael Moore tells you, as he no clue what he is talking about.
Bob- Nobody is getting a draft notice, another Kerry lie.
Tired- you are the one who has been brainwashed. Military people live in the real world, and you are the one living in an ivory tower contemplating your navel, as most Liberals do. It is the soldier who secures your freedom, not pothead protesters.
Motherjones- It is you on the Left who have divided America. America was united behind President Bush, but the Democrat activists were sharpening their long knives even on September 12th. The true face of the Left in this country were their pundits who in the Fall of 2001 expressed their disgust at seeing all the American flags, their true face was of beatnik scumbag professor Nicholas DeGenova who hoped that America suffered "a million Mogadishus." These people didn't pretend to love America or care about the troops. They want American soldiers to die and for America to become a socialist craphole. And at least they were honest about it, unlike Kerry and his supporters.
As I pointed out before, Kerry's own chain of command said he was a candy ass and were happy to send him home. He was in Vietnam only four months out of the thirteen he was supposed to be. His wounds were scratches, but his front line supervisor and his field grade officer both agreed that Coastal Division 11 was better off without him, and so happily gave him early release. One of the Swiftboat Vets for truth got some real wounds, but he stayed with his men. Kerry abandoned his men. He was their leader, and was supposed to stay and lead them. But the truth is, they were better off without him.
Kerry threw his medals away, so, as far as I am concered, he has none. The only medals he deserves to wear are several Orders of Lenin, which are awarded for defense of the Socialist Homeland. He should get them for the USSR, Sandinista Nicaragua, North Vietnam (which does honor Kerry as a hero of NVN in its war museum) and Communist Afghanistan, all of whom he bent over backwards to safeguard from evil America.
OK, Liberal sillies, I guess I've helped you out enough for one night. Sorry if I didn't respond to your post. Night night.
Matt Dedinas
3rd Infantry Division (1996-1999)
Remember the reasons we went to Iraq in the first place? WMD's, Al Qaida connections, active nuclear (Nuculer to neo-cons), 911 connection. Well, here's a quote for you: "A political candidate who will jump to conclusions before he knows the FACTS is not a person you want as commander -in-chief" G.W.Bush 10/27/2004
Posted by: BCNYA 11-02 at October 28, 2004 06:14 AMQuote correction: "a political candidate who jumps to conclusions without knowing the facts is not a person you want as commander-in-chief." Semantics. Still....case closed.
Posted by: BCNYA 11-02 at October 28, 2004 06:45 AMIf Bush supporters were a soap opera an apt name for them would be "The Rich and the Stupid." Bush himself has acknowledged that the rich are his "base", but he would never get elected without his majority following which are the blue collar working class Republicans.. the very folk that Neocons despise.
Posted by: Peregrinus at October 28, 2004 08:12 AMHey Matt,
In response:
"I've done my time and am no longer fit for sevrice because of health reasons."
I'm sorry to hear that, but its a good thing you got out before the furor took over.
"People like you are turning the Land of Lincoln into the Land of Political Correctness and Socialism."
The repig war cry: Liberal!!!, Pinko!!!, Commie!!!
In my case it is just not true. I am a die hard capitalist. I make my money trading stocks and commodities. Mostly short selling stocks these days. Commodities are working out nicely. When the smirking chimp is out of office I expect faith to be restored in American corporations. George W. Bush has betrayed every conservative economic doctrine. He has run a federal budget deficit and devalued our currency. He also supports a welfare state, but not here in America for his countrymen. Bush wants to run a welfare state in Iraq. A welfare state in America is bad, funneling our money to an arab country is unconscionable. Only a dumb bird fouls his own nest.
Gee Matt... I knew you were brainwashed, but I didn't realize you were a bigot too!! I shoulda guessed. Who says someone who protests is a pot smoking hippee? And why do you assume that someone who works to keep our elected officials honest and accountable is a protester?
You see things through the simplistic eyes of an ignorant 5 year old child. Your Commander in Chief lied to send you to war. And he deceived those who elected him (not to mention the majority of Americans who didn't!!)
Perhaps you need to read this and reevaluate things a little:
Two Years Before 9/11, Candidate Bush was Already Talking Privately About Attacking Iraq, According to His Former Ghost Writer
HOUSTON -- Two years before the September 11 attacks, presidential candidate George W. Bush was already talking privately about the political benefits of attacking Iraq, according to his former ghost writer, who held many conversations with then-Texas Governor Bush in preparation for a planned autobiography.
"He was thinking about invading Iraq in 1999," said author and journalist Mickey Herskowitz. "It was on his mind. He said to me: 'One of the keys to being seen as a great leader is to be seen as a commander-in-chief.' And he said, 'My father had all this political capital built up when he drove the Iraqis out of Kuwait and he wasted it.' He said, 'If I have a chance to invade·.if I had that much capital, I'm not going to waste it. I'm going to get everything passed that I want to get passed and I'm going to have a successful presidency." Herskowitz said that Bush expressed frustration at a lifetime as an underachiever in the shadow of an accomplished father. In aggressive military action, he saw the opportunity to emerge from his father's shadow.
Bush and his advisers were sold on the idea that it was difficult for a president to accomplish an electoral agenda without the record-high approval numbers that accompany successful if modest wars.
The revelations on Bush's attitude toward Iraq emerged recently during two taped interviews of Herskowitz, which included a discussion of a variety of matters, including his continued closeness with the Bush family, indicated by his subsequent selection to pen an authorized biography of Bush's grandfather, written and published last year with the assistance and blessing of the Bush family.
Herskowitz also revealed the following:
In 2003, Bush's father indicated to him that he disagreed with his son's invasion of Iraq.
Bush admitted that he failed to fulfill his Vietnam-era domestic National Guard service obligation, but claimed that he had been "excused."
Bush revealed that after he left his Texas National Guard unit in 1972 under murky circumstances, he never piloted a plane again. That casts doubt on the carefully-choreographed moment of Bush emerging in pilot's garb from a jet on the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln in 2003 to celebrate "Mission Accomplished" in Iraq. The image, instantly telegraphed around the globe, and subsequent hazy White House statements about his capacity in the cockpit, created the impression that a heroic Bush had played a role in landing the craft.
Bush described his own business ventures as "floundering" before campaign officials insisted on recasting them in a positive light.
Throughout the interviews for this article and in subsequent conversations, Herskowitz indicated he was conflicted over revealing information provided by a family with which he has longtime connections, and by how his candor could comport with the undefined operating principles of the as-told-to genre. Well after the interviews-in which he expressed consternation that Bush's true views, experience and basic essence had eluded the American people -Herskowitz communicated growing concern about the consequences for himself of the publication of his remarks, and said that he had been under the impression he would not be quoted by name. However, when conversations began, it was made clear to him that the material was intended for publication and attribution. A tape recorder was present and visible at all times.
Several people who know Herskowitz well addressed his character and the veracity of his recollections. "I don't know anybody that's ever said a bad word about Mickey," said Barry Silverman, a well-known Houston executive and civic figure who worked with him on another book project. An informal survey of Texas journalists turned up uniform confidence that Herskowitz's account as contained in this article could be considered accurate.
One noted Texas journalist who spoke with Herskowitz about the book in 1999 recalls how the author mentioned to him at the time that Bush had revealed things the campaign found embarrassing and did not want in print. He requested anonymity because of the political climate in the state. "I can't go near this," he said.
According to Herskowitz, George W. Bush's beliefs on Iraq were based in part on a notion dating back to the Reagan White House - ascribed in part to now-vice president Dick Cheney, Chairman of the House Republican Policy Committee under Reagan. "Start a small war. Pick a country where there is justification you can jump on, go ahead and invade."
Bush's circle of pre-election advisers had a fixation on the political capital that British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher collected from the Falklands War. Said Herskowitz: "They were just absolutely blown away, just enthralled by the scenes of the troops coming back, of the boats, people throwing flowers at [Thatcher] and her getting these standing ovations in Parliament and making these magnificent speeches."
Republicans, Herskowitz said, felt that Jimmy Carter's political downfall could be attributed largely to his failure to wage a war. He noted that President Reagan and President Bush's father himself had (besides the narrowly-focused Gulf War I) successfully waged limited wars against tiny opponents - Grenada and Panama - and gained politically. But there were successful small wars, and then there were quagmires, and apparently George H.W. Bush and his son did not see eye to eye.
"I know [Bush senior] would not admit this now, but he was opposed to it. I asked him if he had talked to W about invading Iraq. "He said, 'No I haven't, and I won't, but Brent [Scowcroft] has.' Brent would not have talked to him without the old man's okaying it." Scowcroft, national security adviser in the elder Bush's administration, penned a highly publicized warning to George W. Bush about the perils of an invasion.
Herskowitz's revelations are not the sole indicator of Bush's pre-election thinking on Iraq. In December 1999, some six months after his talks with Herskowitz, Bush surprised veteran political chroniclers, including the Boston Globe 's David Nyhan, with his blunt pronouncements about Saddam at a six-way New Hampshire primary event that got little notice: "It was a gaffe-free evening for the rookie front-runner, till he was asked about Saddam's weapons stash," wrote Nyhan. 'I'd take 'em out,' [Bush] grinned cavalierly, 'take out the weapons of mass destruction·I'm surprised he's still there," said Bush of the despot who remains in power after losing the Gulf War to Bush Jr.'s father·It remains to be seen if that offhand declaration of war was just Texas talk, a sort of locker room braggadocio, or whether it was Bush's first big clinker. "
The notion that President Bush held unrealistic or naïve views about the consequences of war was further advanced recently by a Bush supporter, the evangelist Pat Robertson, who revealed that Bush had told him the Iraq invasion would yield no casualties. In addition, in recent days, high-ranking US military officials have complained that the White House did not provide them with adequate resources for the task at hand.
Herskowitz considers himself a friend of the Bush family, and has been a guest at the family vacation home in Kennebunkport. In the late 1960s, Herskowitz, a longtime Houston Chronicle sports columnist designated President Bush's father, then-Congressman George HW Bush, to replace him as a guest columnist, and the two have remained close since then. (Herskowitz was suspended briefly in April without pay for reusing material from one of his own columns, about legendary UCLA basketball coach John Wooden.)
In 1999, when Herskowitz turned in his chapters for Charge to Keep, Bush's staff expressed displeasure -often over Herskowitz's use of language provided by Bush himself. In a chapter on the oil business, Herskowitz included Bush's own words to describe the Texan's unprofitable business ventures, writing: "the companies were floundering". "I got a call from one of the campaign lawyers, he was kind of angry, and he said, 'You've got some wrong information.' I didn't bother to say, 'Well you know where it came from.' [The lawyer] said, 'We do not consider that the governor struggled or floundered in the oil business. We consider him a successful oilman who started up at least two new businesses.' "
In the end, campaign officials decided not to go with Herskowitz's account, and, moreover, demanded everything back. "The lawyer called me and said, 'Delete it. Shred it. Just do it.' "
"They took it and [communications director] Karen [Hughes] rewrote it," he said. A campaign official arrived at his home at seven a.m. on a Monday morning and took his notes and computer files. However, Herskowitz, who is known for his memory of anecdotes from his long history in journalism and book publishing, says he is confident about his recollections.
According to Herskowitz, Bush was reluctant to discuss his time in the Texas Air National Guard - and inconsistent when he did so. Bush, he said, provided conflicting explanations of how he came to bypass a waiting list and obtain a coveted Guard slot as a domestic alternative to being sent to Vietnam. Herskowitz also said that Bush told him that after transferring from his Texas Guard unit two-thirds through his six-year military obligation to work on an Alabama political campaign, he did not attend any Alabama National Guard drills at all, because he was "excused." This directly contradicts his public statements that he participated in obligatory training with the Alabama National Guard. Bush's claim to have fulfilled his military duty has been subject to intense scrutiny; he has insisted in the past that he did show up for monthly drills in Alabama - though commanding officers say they never saw him, and no Guardsmen have come forward to accept substantial "rewards" for anyone who can claim to have seen Bush on base.
Herskowitz said he asked Bush if he ever flew a plane again after leaving the Texas Air National Guard in 1972 - which was two years prior to his contractual obligation to fly jets was due to expire. He said Bush told him he never flew any plane - military or civilian - again. That would contradict published accounts in which Bush talks about his days in 1973 working with inner-city children, when he claimed to have taken some of the children up in a plane.
In 2002, three years after he had been pulled off the George W. Bush biography, Herskowitz was asked by Bush's father to write a book about the current president's grandfather, Prescott Bush, after getting a message that the senior Bush wanted to see him. "Former President Bush just handed it to me. We were sitting there one day, and I was visiting him there in his office·He said, 'I wish somebody would do a book about my dad.' "
"He said to me, 'I know this has been a disappointing time for you, but it's amazing how many times something good will come out of it.' I passed it on to my agent, he jumped all over it. I asked [Bush senior], 'Would you support it and would you give me access to the rest of family?' He said yes."
That book, Duty, Honor, Country: The Life and Legacy of Prescott Bush , was published in 2003 by Routledge. If anything, the book has been criticized for its over-reliance on the Bush family's perspective and rosy interpretation of events. Herskowitz himself is considered the ultimate "as-told-to" author, lending credibility to his account of what George W. Bush told him. Herskowitz's other books run the gamut of public figures, and include the memoirs of Reagan aide Deaver, former Texas Governor and Nixon Treasury Secretary John Connally, newsman Dan Rather, astronaut Walter Cunningham, and baseball greats Mickey Mantle and Nolan Ryan.
After Herskowitz was pulled from the Bush book project, the biographer learned that a scenario was being prepared to explain his departure. "I got a phone call from someone in the Bush campaign, confidentially, saying 'Watch your back.' "
Reporters covering Bush say that when they inquired as to why Herskowitz was no longer on the project, Hughes intimated that Herskowitz had personal habits that interfered with his writing - a claim Herskowitz said is unfounded. Later, the campaign put out the word that Herskowitz had been removed for missing a deadline. Hughes subsequently finished the book herself - it received largely critical reviews for its self-serving qualities and lack of spontaneity or introspection.
So, said Herskowitz, the best material was left on the cutting room floor, including Bush's true feelings.
"He told me that as a leader, you can never admit to a mistake," Herskowitz said. "That was one of the keys to being a leader."
Research support for this article was provided by the Investigative Fund of The Nation Institute .
Russ Baker is an award-winning independent journalist who has been published in The New York Times ,The Nation ,Washington Post ,The Telegraph (UK), Sydney Morning-Herald , and Der Spiegel , among many others.
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