9/11 "black box" cover-up at Ground Zero? -- a Campaign Extra!/PDN exclusive
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This is the more comprehensive version of our story appearing in today's Philadelphia Daily News.
Two men who worked extensively in the wreckage of the World Trade Center claim they helped federal agents find three of the four “black boxes” from the jetliners that struck the towers on 9/11 - contradicting the official account.
Both the independent 9/11 Commission and federal authorities continue to insist that none of the four devices - a cockpit voice recorder (CVR) and flight data recorder (FDR) from the two planes - were ever found in the wreckage.
But New York City firefighter Nicholas DeMasi has written in a recent book -- self-published by several Ground Zero workers -- that he escorted federal agents on an all-terrain vehicle in October 2001 and helped them locate three of the four.
His account is supported by a volunteer, Mike Bellone, whose efforts at Ground Zero have been chronicled in the New York Times and elsewhere. Bellone said assisted DeMasi and the agents and that saw a device that resembling a “black box” in the back of the firefighter’s ATV.
Their story raises the question of whether there was a some type of cover-up at Ground Zero. Federal aviation officials - blaming the massive devastation - have said the World Trade Center attacks seem to be the only major jetliner crashes in which the critical devices were never located.
A footnote to the 9/11 Commission Report issued this summer flatly states: “The CVRs and FDRs from American 11 and United 175” - the two planes that hit the Trade Center - “were not found.”
And officials for the FBI - which oversaw the cleanup at Ground Zero - and the New York City Fire Department repeated this week that the devices were never recovered.
The “black boxes” - actually orange - could have provided valuable new information about the worst terror attack to ever take place on American soil.
The cockpit voice recorder uses two microphones to capture the sounds of the cockpit for the last 30 minutes of a doomed flight on a tape loop. In the case of the hijacked 9/11 jetliners, the devices should have captured any conversations or actions involving the hijackers, as well as radio transmissions.
The flight data recorder records things like airspeed, heading, and altitude. Both devices - located in the tail of the airplane - emit loud “pings” so they can be located even in ocean jetliner crashes, like the 1996 explosion of TWA Flight 800 off Long Island.
They are built to survive an impact of enormous force - 3400 Gs - and a fire of 1100 degrees Celsius for one hour, somewhat higher than official estimates of the World Trade Center blaze.
“It's extremely rare that we don't get the recorders back. I can't recall another domestic case in which we did not recover the recorders,” Ted Lopatkiewicz, spokesman for the National Transportation Safety Board, told CBS News in 2002. However, officials said little of the jets was recovered.
DeMasi was with now defunct Engine Company 261 in 2001. He wrote up his recollections of the Ground Zero recovery in a glossy book self-published by a group that calls itself Trauma Recovery Assistance for Children, or the TRAC Team. The book was published in 2003 but received little notice.
(There's more on the book and how people can get it at this site.)
DeMasi, an all-terrain vehicles hobbyist - said he donated 4 ATVs to the clean-up and became known as “the ATV Guy.”
“At one point, I was asked to take Federal Agents around the site to search for the black boxes from the planes,” he wrote. “We were getting ready to go out. My ATV was parked at the top of the stairs at the Brooks Brothers entrance area. We loaded up about a million dollars worth of equipment and strapped it into the ATV...”
“There were a total of four black boxes. We found three.”
Efforts over several days to locate and interview DeMasi, who is now said to be with the FDNY’s Marine Unit, were not successful.
But his account was verified by another member of the so-called TRAC Team, recovery site volunteer Bellone. He recalled FBI agents arriving for the search one day in early October, setting up their equipment near Brooks Brothers. He said he didn’t go out with them on the ATV but observed their search.
At one point, Bellone said he observed the team with a box that appeared charred but was redish-orange with two white stripes. Pictures of the flight recorders on the NTSB and other Web sites show devices that are orange, with two white stripes.
“There was the one that I saw, and two others were recovered in different locations - but I wasn’t there for the other two,” Bellone said. He said the FBI agents left with the boxes.
If the account by DeMasi and Bellone is true, it’s not clear what motive federal authorities would have for claiming they weren’t found.
By the same token, however, it’s not clear what incentive either man would have to lie.
An FBI spokesman in New York, Jim Margolin, said after checking with the leader of the Ground Zero investigation that none of the boxes were recovered.
Frank Gribbon, the FDNY spokesman, also said “no one in the Department is aware of the recovery of any of the airline "black boxes" at the WTC site.”
Bellone has encounted some unrelated problems in connection with the TRAC group, however. In April, the New York Post reported (story not available online) that TRAC owned money to a number of creditors, including the company that published the book. Fire officials also told Bellone, who was made an honorary firefighter by a New York engine company, that he couldn’t wear an official uniform on school visits.
Posted on October 28, 2004 07:30 AM
What crime is hiding evidence filed under? obstruction of justice, conspiracy..CYA?
The boxes most likely show that the planes were flown with remote control, and that there was no one consious inside the plane before the impact.
Thanks for another great scoop, scoop.
Did you ask the FBI or the NTSB about this?
Another government lie concerning the 911 atrocity is exposed. Is it possible to blow the cover off of the cover-up, when the corporate news media is a co-conspritator?
If only the CIA would leak the report of their 911 investigation that the WH has been sitting on since June. I wonder if it comes any closer to the truth. I would tend to doubt it, but it is sure to be embarrassing to BushCo.
Great investigative work, Mr. Bunch. There are so many holes in the official story of 9-11. See the reliable, verifiable summary of facts not covered by the Independent 9-11 Commission at www.WantToKnow.info/9-11cover-up
A book by Michael C. Ruppert, Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil, enlarges on these and other nasty facts behind the murders on 9/11.
Very strange! There are a lot of unanswered questions surrounding 9/11, including why has no one been held responsible for all the intelligence and national security mistakes beginning with the oval office? Add this one to the list.
Were they really Federal Agents? Who were those guys actually?
Gee Wiz! Zowie! The FBI covering things up? Here's a clue as to why they would do such a thing. Visit http://www.bluelemur.com/newsbone and read "The GOP End Game" article. These traitors to humanity are running out of places to hide.
The environmental reviews to extend PHL 17/35 have been fast tracked by presidential executive order. Yet the president keeps coming back to PA and to the communities that will heavily impacted by this expansion asking for our votes? Curt Weldon/Mike Castle (whose electorate will be most impacted by phl expansion)even campaigns for Bush stating that he understands the needs of our communities? Weldon also recently claimed his job is bigger than Delaware County? Ground control to Mr. Weldon … Please come in…
Speaking of our fine representation…
Maybe someone should be asking our locally elected officials about the letter below. We are also very upset about BP bringing these ships up the Delaware River past the Salem, NJ nuclear complex that have a potential explosive yield (55 times the Hiroshima bomb). --it's good for business?
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Congressman Mike Castle (DE) favor increasing LNG imports,
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Everyone with a brain and some intelligence will understand that if a flight recorder can't survive such a crash, neither will do passports.
Americans are f****d by Americans.
Here we go again, as "Ronnie Baby" used to say in the presidential debates with Jimmy Carter. The FBI is maybe covering up the finding of three of the four flight recorders? What else is new? What happened to the control tower tapes from all the airports involved? Those tapes disappeared in the first hour or so after the disaster, never to be seen or heard from again.
What happened to the videos from cameras facing the Pentagon from various angles showing the crash of some object with the Pentagon? Those tapes have also disappeared to some unknown destination, never to be seen again.
Maybe we need to get LA Homicide Detective "Columbo" in on this case. He's great at ferreting out things that disappear in the night. Truth has died on 9/11/2001. We need a crack investigator like Columbo on this case.
Maybe we should nickname our country, "the Great Disappeared".
The miracle of all things is the survival in the firery disaster of the WTC buildings amid all the rubble of an intact passport of one of the "pilots" of one of the planes. Yet the Flight recorders didn't survive the crash and fire. Oh really???? If people believe that, I've got a great bridge in Brooklyn, I'd like to sell them!
This article just adds to the reasons for a "real" investigation into the events of "911."
I am Phil Berg, an attorney with offices in Lafayette Hill, Montgomery County, PA.
I just filed [10/22/04] a RICO [Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organization] lawsuit against President Bush about "911" for:
Foreknowledge of 911;
Failure to warn of 911;
Failure to prevent 911;
Cover-up of 911.
Also alledging their complicity in "911" as "911" could not have occurred without the complicity of Bush and his cronies!
Press Release, RICO Complaint - available on our website www.911forthetruth.com
Philip J. Berg, Esquire
I will order and read this book as soon as I'm finished reading "My Pet Goat". Can't wait.
Considering the last 3 3/4 yrs. of the Bush administration, nothing [true or not] surprises me. What does surprise me is that Americans have been brainwashed into thinking that they live in the greatest country in the world. That was true at one time... a time when we had patriots running our country. Government coverups in the US have existed though a lot of our history. The Kennedy assassination continues to be a mystery some forty odd years after the fact. Yes, there is good speculation on the assassination, but with the government witholding and destroying records, that morning in Dallas continues to be nothing but conjecture... a he said, she said... nothing concrete. A country that routinely hides important facts from its citizens cannot possibly be considered the greatest country in the world. As it once was, another powerful and secretive government, the Old Soviet Union, is now defunct. Will the US follow the same path? If US citizens insist on wearing blinders, as they have, the answer is yes. This is not a subversive statement. It is a collection of events that indicate that the US is sliding down the same spiral.
You guys keep forgetting that in order to have a conspiracy, and especially on this scale, a large amount of people are involved.
With this many people, why haven't more come forward? And especially for three years - that's a long time to have the deaths of 3000 Americans on your mind.
I think the possibility of a cover-up by our government is entirely credible. It does not surprise me one bit. 9/11 was the first reason to go to war--what could generate a stronger emotional response from the American people? This was followed by the false claims of nuclear weapons in Iraq--generating another strong emotional response from Americans--fear. The most unsettling possibility is that perhaps this administration might have known about 9/11 in advance.This scenario is almost too scary to contemplate.
The only thing that this tells us is...that an orange box with two white stripes was removed from ground zero. Heck, I've got seventeen boxes like that in my living room alone! Our government would never lie - they may be confused, but just like the assurances from Rummy that the WMDs were in Tikrete, north, south and east Iraq; but never lie.
Always follow the money trail. Who made money? Military corporations - owned by neocons including Bush 41 - of course not! These corporations and their owners are doing this work for the spread of "Democracy". Now, if in this case, Bush 41 profited a mere $31,400,000 (His military stock going public - only), then we know it was for "Democracy". Maybe just a tweek of capitolism; maybe.
Oddly enough, my dictionary doesn't define "Democracy" as being "greed, and or, love of money and power".
There would be black boxes. They are built to survive a crash or "blow up".
Considering all the lies and hidden evidence, this had to be a attack by our own.
You are a nutjob if you believe the official version of the 9/11. 9/11 is best explained by Michael Ruppert and David R. Griffin.
9/11 is the neocon Reichstag fire.
People have been coming forward. Ellen Mariani, Sibel Edmonds, Stanley Hilton and many others. The mainstream press reports nothing on them, and Asscroft issues gag orders so they can't talk.
How could you not locate Nicholas Demasi?
Did you never hear of Google? Just google "Nicholas Demasi, New York" There is only one in the whole state.
there would almost certainly NO black boxes, they are desinged to suvive most crashes, they are not designed to survice having a billion pounds of building fall on them.
the person claiming such a) is trying to sell a book; and b) never saw one beofre and proably would not be able to tell one from a wtc fusebox.
face it if there were a conspiracy of this scope, we would HAVE fake black boxes. faking the voice recorder boxes at the least would not bve diffcult - if you are going to go to the trouble of killing 3000 people, invloving thousands of controlers, law enforcent personel etc.
Our government attacked us on 9-11 and if they were willing to do that for money, you can bet they are willing to try and steal the election AGAIN. There are many books available that explain what really happened on 9-11 much better than Bush/Cheney's explanation which is nothing but lies. Of course they say they didn't find the black box. And Im sure the people who lied about finding the boxes got promoted, while the firefighter who wrote this book telling the truth will have his character assassinated by the Bush scumbags. Maybe the Bush administration could explain to me how 2 steel frame buildings imploded from fire or how Building 7 imploded without being hit by a plane. Or why the chief of the Pakistani ISI (who wired $100,000 to Mohammed Atta) was in Washington DC on 9-11 meeting with members of our government? Or why Bush sat reading a book like a little girl during the worst terror attack on American soil? Or why fighter planes were not scrambled for over an hour during a huge "terrorist attack"? Meanwhile, last week, when ONE private plane (not four loaded with passengers) got near the airspace over Bush's speech just LAST WEEK, fighters were scrambled, airborne and on top of the other plane within MINUTES. When there is a real emergency, fighters are scrambled. 9-11 was orchestrated by the US government.
It is almost too horrible to contemplate.
What kind of people would do this? Within our own government? How in the hell can they sleep at night?
"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." -- Herman Goerring, Nuremberg Trials
The post from "Ender" is absolutely correct. If the black boxes were found, there no way that government officials and others who knew about this would keep it covered up. The information is so essential that no one in their right mind could possibly keep their mouth shut.
Most government employees are regular people and couldn't keep a secret like this for leaking out. Government employees are normally poorly paid and really have nothing to gain by participating in a cover-up, which could get them potentially exposed, sued or arrested. I'm sorry but that kind of loyalty is a bit hard to imagine for $80k a year.
I find it very amazing/amusing that with millions of pounds of debris from two different buildings, soon after the buildings fell and while they were still burning, the FBI was able to arrive one day and find apparently without digging or moving anything three very small boxes.
Even after only the most modest amount of thinking I was able to conclude this could only be a new urban legend.
You people are gullible.
I find it amazing how little regard one finds for first-person accounts, and how much credit is given to 'experts' who can only speculate.
I suppose we're all just supposed to believe what the government says, in which case we wouldn't be considered 'gullible'.
Endeavors to reveal the truth are anathema to small, narrow minds.
Read the article carefully this time.
"He recalled FBI agents arriving for the search one day in early October, setting up their equipment near Brooks Brothers." That was
three and half weeks after the attack! The guy didn't say they just drove up and there they were. I'm sure the FBI, NTSB, used listening devices for the pings coming from the boxes. When the pings are heard, the digging begins to locate them. As I recall, there were hot pockets still burning at the site, but the entire site was not burning. In fact, cranes, bulldozers and steamshovels were working in a cooled large area. The boxes are not as small as you think. They are about 20 inches long by 12 inches wide and 6 inches deep... not exactly a needle in a haystack. Look them up on Google. And as far as millions of pounds of debris falling, a lot of the buildings were pulverized into near weightless dust as they fell. There was 5" of the dust covering the streets 10 blocks away. Maybe you and I are reading different articles, but I didn't see where the guy claimed the he and the FBI had to drive through flames to retrieve the boxes.
You find it hard to believe that Fed. employees could keep their mouths shut about found black boxes? We're talking about the FBI here. The information they have in check would make your hair stand on end. Ever hear of top secret? That means that few select FBI agents know about certain events. All they had to do was pack the boxes and take them through the back door of the FBI. No one would have been any the wiser. Just the on-site FBI agents and the two firefighters would have witnessed the retrievals. Who do we believe... the firefighters, or a highly secretive government department?
Here's some interesting info from a 9/11 researcher/investigator that tells you how the FBI functions:
The source added that “the [CVR and FDR] tapes were sequestered by the FBI and quickly taken to its Quantico, Virginia labs where analysis was conducted solely under the Bureau’s influence in order to maintain complete control.” However, according to the individual with knowledge of the investigation, “there were a few NTSB officials allowed to observe, but their influence on the probe and tape inspection was minimal at best.”
9/11 was an inside job .. made in America for Americans by Americans ... Richard Cheney is the prime suspect
in the mass murders on 9/11/01, not only was he a planner in the attacks,
but also that on the day of the attacks
he was running a completely separate Command, Control
and Communications system which was superceding
any orders being issued by the NMCC
[National Military Command Center],
or the White House Situation Room.
"Even after only the most modest amount of thinking I was able to conclude this could only be a new urban legend."
we have a winner!!! ...snopes will be all over this shortly.
have fun living in fear you freaks.
Two different people in this thread who are trying to poke holes in the idea that the FBI would indeed find and hide the boxes have answered each other's basis for doubting this.
The reason the gov't wouldn't admit they'd found the boxes and then go about an even bigger extravaganza of lies is.... for that very reason: it would involve far more people in the gov't going along with it which makes it far less possible to pull off.
All this operation took was a handful of FBI agents who are sworn to the utmost secrecy and devotion to keeping secrets and someone they figured would be too stressed and busy to notice.
When's the last time you heard of an FBI agent of good standing blowing the whistle on any gov't activity? How long did it take the FBI or CIA to admit their involvement in the conspiracies we now know are fact? Oh, that's right, they never have.
All it takes for the government to get away with lying to you is for you to sleepily imagine that they never would.
Americans need to strenghthen their grassroots democracy. Decentralise their government and bring in land reforms to get rid of the caste system, that allows for these cold blooded reptiles to take/buy power.
Political power should start and end with communities.
IF u don't there will be another Bush/Cheney cabal, sharpening its nails this very moment in some elite organisation, having illusions of creating the perfect Big Brother.
Time for non violent civil disobedience. A networked community P2P civil disobedience movement to bring down government machinery.
First I want to thank Ron McElroy for exploding my sarcasm meter. And as for those poor $80k per year workers I can think of one reason for their
And we just find out about this less than a week before the election? COINCIDENCE? Only people with a brain don't think so.
Let's look at the evidence. What actual evidence is there that these guys actually flew the plane and were servents of Bin Laden? There is none except that they tell us. What's the evidence that the government was involved? You will have to read it all. IF you aren't willing to at least read it then I don't want to convince you because you are a douchebag.
Just looking at this from a normal standpoint, for those of you who do not believe that teh gov. blew those towers up, just pretend for a minute they did. Do you have any idea of the amount of civil liberties that every person in the U.S. has lost since 911? The government has sidestepped the whole constitution with the Patriot Act. All they have to do is point their finger at you and say "you are a terriosit/druddealer, and you then lose every one of your rights. This world is in for trouble if we do not get involved. If you don't believe it is only because you are willing to listen to what the governemet says as oppossed to being objecitive and asking questions. We are built on a question asking, competetive society. But not if you are teh gov. All you have to do is say they did it, and Halliburton's gettin' it, and no more questions!
I also think it is strange that within a few days the government posted all 19 hijackers photos on TV, in newspapers and on the US government website. Where did they get those photos so fast? I did notice that our government never caught the anthrax killer though. How many years has it been now... three years and counting?
Have you guys seen the direct mailer from Bush-Cheney '04 that is SPLATTERED with images of 9-11? Specifically, the image of the fireball from the PLANES HITTING THE TOWERS?!
I received this mailer today, and it upset me, because I firmly believe no one should use them for politics.
Is the an issue? Have these been common, and this is just the first one I received?
Should I find someone to forward it to?
I could use some advice, because ths really should be shown around.
JC, I just got that today too. I was so disgusted I threw it immediately in the trash. Now I'm wondering if I should dig it out. It's reprehensible imagery in that context, but a perfect illustration of how desperate this campaign is.
Someone should post it on the net.
Does anyone know who would be the best person to contact?
"Secrecy in the Manhattan Project was so complete that many people working for the organization did not know what they were working on until they heard about the bombing of Hiroshima on the radio."
Still don't believe the government can keep a secret? Well, this time they didn't. If you followed the trial of Ramzi Yousef, Abdul Hakim Murad, and Wali Shah, you already knew by 1997 that AP published a list of the 9/11 targets and the news that U.S. intelligence officials were saying then that they believed the Bojinka plotters' claim that several of their pals were already training for Phase Two in the U.S., and some of them were training at "secure U.S. military bases." If you read about that, you surely noticed that the story was never followed up with an article announcing their arrest. So why did intelligence officials comment on an ongoing investigation? Did they think it had to be an inside job because it relied on a massive, carefully timed failure of civil defense? I certainly did, and I used military and political strategy to guess the date in 1999. I'd been told years before about the faction of the Republican Party who were planning for a Bush dynasty, and I was told how they would arrange it using the CIA and key Supreme Court appointments. It stood to reason that if Team Bush stole the election, the truth would out in coming months, and when the leader's illegitimate claim to authority was exposed, he'd need a distraction. Add to that the plan laid out in Zbigniew Brzezinski's 1997 best-seller, The Grand Chessboard, for seizing the world's oil fields to prevent another Cold War, and his comments that to unify our diverse society would require "a massive, widely-perceived direct external threat," and you too could have seen 9/11 coming. You can read more about this here: http://ydex.info
All you need is a grasp of history. It repeats because we prefer to forget.
They are already stealing this election, because stealing the last one worked out fine for them. They don't care if you know, just as they don't care if you know they're hiding what happened on 9/11. Consider that long after the FBI confirmed that Mahmud Ahmed had ordered a wire transfer of $100,000 to Mohammed Atta via SunTrust, the 9/11 Commission decided to ignore who paid for the attacks. That should give you some idea whose best interests the cOmission had at heart.
Here is a very well-constructed site, called "The World Trade Center Demolition and the So-Called War on Terror".
It maintains that the towers were brought down in a controlled demolition, among other things.
Particularly convincing is the suggestion that it was a missile, not a plane, that hit the Pentagon.
And we're also supposed to believe that an attack by passengers caused a plane to break up in midair over Pennsylvania forming two major debris fields, miles apart. They NTSB has refused to reveal any of its CVR or FDR data.
what if the attacks happened just as the official version will have us believe ? What if the fundamentalist islamic 'jihad' people want to destroy the western world ? anybody a solution for that ?
Anybody still wondering why Bush just isn't all that concerned about bin Laden??
There is a parallel with hard drives that is interesting and in the same vein:
By tying all the little (and big) 'loose ends' together it is impossible to not see that the US government was protecting itself with the 9/11 Commission.
Some of the deception and gross distortions will come flying into the face of the stupefied American people this coming Tuesday. Hard times ahead of us, ahead for the whole world. No nation stands alone any longer, the whole planet is in this together. Nationality and patriotism is outdated, a concept in need of revision. We are all on the same spaceship that has started 'free fall' thanks to the Bush administration who does not know that we all are one family. Also the blood of the 'blue-bloods' is red.
Good luck to Philip J. Berg.
Concentration camps are looming on the horizon for those who dare to speak up.
Good luck to all of us on the rough ride to come.
WAKE UP PEOPLE!
You know deep down that 9/11 was staged to justify this fake war!! Where was the link between saddam & al-qaeda that we were told about? What about the WMDs?
No wonder none were found, there never were any, which is why 9/11 had to happen to justify it! THINK
Check out The Project For The New American Century and you will see that it says “In order for America to move forward in its bid for world domination there will need to be many theatre wars”
Also, it says “a new Pearl Harbour” would help this happen!
Interestingly, the people behind The Project For The New American Century are the very neo-cons in the current Bush administration who are telling us these horse shit lies in the controlled media every day.
Check out davidicke.com for the truth
You may not believe this, but whether or not you do, it is still THE TRUTH
With regards to Enders question, all you have to do is control certain institutions LIKE THE MEDIA!!! & anyone who does come forward or tries to speak out will fail to get their voice heard
I find it amazing that a terrorist's passport survived that day, and a black box didn't
Okay, when is "admin" going to delete all the double (and triple, and quadruple) posts?
Admin sleeps later than us working people. Besides, we'll get 100 quicker this way.
OK, guys, what'd I miss? I don't see any doubles or triples.
Naw, seriously, Ruth, it's good that *you're* being vigilant... I'll try to find a way to make you admin-deputy!
JC: Someone should post it on the net.
Here it is:
Hey, that took a minimum amount of squeaking for the wheel to be oiled . . .
I just saw it. Thanks.
"what if the attacks happened just as the official version will have us believe?"
Then we'd have some evidence the bad guys were on the planes, for starters. We went to war without any evidence, and if you have some, it's time to get on the phone to the FBI. They said they have none.
Think about the message this sends to future leasders: the people will support war without any evidence at all. Therefore, a future leader who attacks his own can say anything, bomb anyone.
What if that's already happened? How would you tell?
"Naw, seriously, Ruth, it's good that *you're* being vigilant... I'll try to find a way to make you admin-deputy!"
Only if I can get paid!! I'm a starving student!
Sorry, no pay available, but I'll make you an "official admin-deputy" badge...
Oh, well, a badge! In that case I could be wooed...
I can't believe what I am reading. I was there. I was there on 9/11 and for 6 months after and have first hand knowledge. To read some of this stuff is scary. Some guy in a ATV can find 3 out of for cigar sized black boxes in a day in millions of tons of rubble, amazing. It surprised me to even see an ambulance chaser post too. Trust me, this is all hog wash!!!!! Please go back to Elvis sighting, at least that is a bit more believable!!!
Its so hard to believe anyone, I mean first we have fahrenheit 9/11, then fahrenhype 9/11, control room, contrasting websites, contrasting reports, Unfortunately we will never know anything, We just have to face it, live our lives and hope we dont get affected by the decisions of our so called (elected learders)make, I mean we have such a choice every four years. I have been asked many times who I am going to vote for. The answer is either choice scares me, were in a load of shit and its going to take a long time to get out. Funny too how both of our choices for pres come from the same college,wealth oh and fraternity, Cocaine anyone. Its POLITICS, we need W/B, no not the channel, the reporters who broke watergate, where are you guys when we need. ONE LAST THING FOR EVERYONE TO THINK ABOUT: PLEASE READ THIS ---- HARDLY EVER IN YOUR LIFE WILL YOU EVER RECEIVE FIRST HAND INFORMATION ON ANY TOP POLITICAL ISSUE, I MEAN YOU HERE MEDIA, MOVIES, REPORTS, WHO IS FEEDING THIS TO US, I CAN TELL YOU ITS NOT FIRST HAND INFO, BY THE TIME IT GETS TO US "ORDINARY FOLKS" TO MUCH TIME HAS ELAPSED AND THE INFORMATION HAS INTENTIONALLY AND/OR UNINTENTIONALLY BEEN TAMPERED/MANIPULATED/LOST/STOLEN/ ECT. I fear nothing only G-D, I love America, but certainly dont think we are flawless.
i just make orognite daily, gift it in my neighborhood and surounding areas proper..and let god sort em out. We will get thru this mess i beleive. not the same and changed for sure , but awake, justice will prevail in due time. have some faith. ;)
All this information from the 9/11 fiasco is easily found on many websites. We have to glean the information and look at what makes the most sense and is backed up by much research by the reporters that tell the tale. I for one believe that this horror was orchestrated by none other than our own people. Namely the CIA with the blessing of the Bush cartel. As for them being able to sleep at night, they have NO CONSCIENCE!
As for anyone wanting another four years of the present administration, You've got to be mad as a hatter.
I overheard a woman in a grocery store not long ago saying she was going to vote for Bush because he is a Christian, and Kerry wasn't. Isn't that just a little off the wall?
People, we're all in serious trouble !
well, there you have it, a videotape of OBL admitting 9/11, any comments now ?
The best way to get rid of OBL is to expose him for what he really is: a paid stooge of U.S. and Israeli intelligence. If Muslims knew the truth they would issue a fatwah against him and take him out as a traitor to Islam and an agent of Satan. Who benefits from the "War on Terror?" Only the U.S. military industrial complex and Israel. Why can't OBL be found? He's on dialysis. He needs constant chemicals and machines to keep alive. Is he dragging his dialysis machine behind him as he humps through the boonies hiding in caves? Of course not! He's being protected, living in a safe house courtesy of the U.S. taxpayer, and his "admission" is at the behest of his paymasters. Death to this infidel!
From the Netherlands, And I am not a Muslim..!!!:
Thus is matter who is winning the elections..?, is it going to change something in the US. They have been mass killers for a long time now (3 million Vietnamese, Millions of Iraq children, woman and men) and they can take a seat next to the big names in history of big mass killers like Stalin and Hitler. Sadam and Osama and Pol Pot are made by the US...!!!!And now you build nice small Nuclear Arms to kill Smarter and Cleaner. Yes we love You..!!!
OBL a paid stooge of US and Israeli intelligence ? And Mickey Mouse wrote the bible, right ? Come off it my man, you really want to see somthing ! Open your eyes
Here is proof!!!! OBL is really a swimming pool salesmen from Boston, and sold John Kerry his pool. I got this from a friend, who has a friend who cleans bathrooms, and over heard this from Teresa Heinz herself while she was sitting in a stall on her cell phone. so 9/11 is a Kerry plot to get elected. Wow! I have some wonderful swamp land to sell all of you. People believe what they want too, regardless of any facts, or how utterly outrageous and impossible it seems. If anyone thinks this was done by the US government (for whatever convoluted reasons) you really need a reality check.
In one of the debates, John Kerry remarked that the US is building 16 military bases in Iraq. Why? If the US will be leaving soon . Could the real reason for the war be OIL? Read Linda McQuaig book "Its the crude, dude, war, big oil and the fight for the planet"
Osama claiming responsibility just doesn't make sense unless he has some control of our military weapons systems that we haven't discovered yet. The Pentagon video evidence is compelling enough to doubt anything that Bush or Osama say. So...where IS Flight 77? The Bush-CIA-bin Laden connections have been illustrated very well over the last few years. Why not have Osama preach to America when the press will only point out that he is admitting to the WTC attacks? Notice however, that he never mentions the Pentagon.
More at: http://www.911truth.org/ & http://911uncovered.com/ (heavy download traffic)
DITTO the "remote-control" theory.
Ah yes, the Bushes and the bin Ladens. Ah yes, Rumsfeld and Saddam. Sound like missing parts of a puzzle? On the missing 380 tons of explosives that was filmed by an embeded reporter who was with an army division passing through, one question: Why is the print on the crates in English? Why do we see the late 80's stamped on the wooden crates? Hmmm, wasn't Reagan, then George H. Bush president in the late 80's to '91? Why would Iraqi explosives in crates be labeled in English? Oh, I bet dem bad Brits sold it to dem... wight?!!!! Dat's all folks! This administration is Looney Tunes.
No remote control. We have seen the airport hidden camera film of Atta and another terrorist turning in their tickets to go board the jet.
Hahahahaha. Is there any whack conspiracy theory you idiots won't believe?
Note to Anti-political:
You said, "I overheard a woman in a grocery store not long ago saying she was going to vote for Bush because he is a Christian, and Kerry wasn't. Isn't that just a little off the wall?
People, we're all in serious trouble !"
Yes, we're in serious trouble when people utter dribble like the supermarket woman. I've heard the same from feeble minded people in my own area. What is so Christian about invading another country without valid reasons, killing around 100,000 Iraqis so far [according to Iraqi physician research.] What is so Christian about sending our GI's to Iraq of which 11,000+ have died and returned in flag-draped coffins... over 7,000 GI's wounded and maimed for life, for OIL. A real Christian, I tell you. What Christian governor has never given consideration and stopped a prison execution? Governor of Texas, George W. Bush is the answer... over 100 executions and a national record. And he mocked Carla Faye Tucker as she begged him for her life after leading a model prisoner life and turning over a new leaf. Only our Christian president gets a second chance after drugs and alcohol til he was 40. Yeah, this guy is a real Christian. How about blocking seniors from Canada to get their vital Rx's. That's our Christian president alright! This guy is about as Christian as Charles Manson... and the most hypocritical heretic being I've ever come across... and to think he is the president of the USA. Yes, we're all in serious trouble. Actually, it's to critical proportions at this point.
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There is a great deal more to the missing blackboxes , which are supposedly indestructible - there were a number of airlines which mysteriously crashed just after taking off New York, TWA and Egyptair. The blackbox of TWA was never found. The third airline which crashed after taking off New York was Swissair, it crashed just off the coast of Canada - its blackbox was not traced. The only blackbox of these three was that of EgypAir and the captain said a prayer which was misconstrued as a 'terrorist' statement.
Turning to the matter of terrorism - terrorists are never afraid of revealing their own identity and making claims of the act of terrorism they have committed. This is true of ETA, IRA and Hamas. So when the planes crashed on 9/11/2001 - the terrorists whosoever they may be would have themselves announced that they carried such an attack- for that you do not CIA or the FBI, because the perpetrators themselves would have been proud of their 'achievement' and would have very proud of it. But no terrorist organisation made any such claim. The only conclusions one can derive is that it was a crime. Only criminals hide and never reveal themselves - in order to find who they are requires thorough investigation. Once the results the investigatioh are completed is it possible to announce as to who was responsible.
This is the major difference between a terrorist and a criminal. But to announce within a few hours who was responsible is really impossible to believe. How is it possible to obtain result of a major crime within a few hours? This is just not possible.
Note to Anti-political: My Thoughts if youre intrested Check out the Vatican Website the Pope has Called Bush the Antichrist if ya belive in religious dribble
A better explanation is that something in those boxes implicated a Saudi official and God knows the government has tried every step or the way to protect the Saudi royal family. The other possibility is communication with an insider at air traffic control, which would be a major embarrassment. The third possibility is that the boxes show that our military had an opportunity to shoot down the planes and didn't take it. It is also a strong possiblity that these guys lied to sell books.
Your theory the our government attacked us makes no sense because the bombing of the USS Cole and the Embassies in Africa and bin Ladens declaration of war on the US before Sept. 11th are all reasons enough to go after him. Plus any thought that the USA needed World approval to go after bin Laden is gone now that they went after Saddam without world approval. If the US planned the attack as excuse to go into Afghanistan then why wouldn't they have done a second attack to have and excuse and world approval to after Saddam? If they went to all that trouble to fake an attack on the country why not just fake the black boxes also? Don't forget they found the black boxes for the other two planes. Also, WTC 7 fell because it burned, I was there from 10am Sept. 11th to 6 pm Sept. 12th. No bombs went off in those building...lots of fire but no bombs.
This is what happened on Sept. 11, 2001, 19 Muslims hijacked 4 planes and attacked America. Saudis royals or Pakistan officials (maybe both) had some hand in plot (cash or otherwise). There is a cover up for sure but it is to protect our foreign "friends" or maybe to hide our government's screw-up.
Based on the events since Sept. 11th including the invasion of Iraq, any theory of our Government attacked us on Sept. 11th for oil or what ever makes no sense. The invasion of Iraq proves that our government didn't need to kill 3000 inocent people for an excuse to invade another country. All they had to do was say "look at this guy bin Laden, he killed 17 sailors on the USS Cole and 225 people outside our Embassies in Africa...now we afe going to get him... you are either with us or against us", sound familiar.
The Pope does not call George Bush the Anti-Christ. He disagrees with the invation of Iraq but he does not call Mr. Bush anything other then Mr. President.
Tell everyone you meet. Tell your parents and your children. The liars involved in this conspiracy must be exposed and prosecuted.
OBL never planned the attack on 11 sept the fact that he said in the beginning that he did not do it was true.
He inspired certain cell to do it themself
The so called confession tapes are NO prove because we do not know what has been said prior to the so called evidence on the tape, everything before that was audible so the context of the words could have been "the people who had done this has told me that ....."
So those tape are NO confesion but instead a very misleading part of the Bush administation towards the American public but since everybody believe it why should he not claim it aftherward it gives him more status.
And also the fact that 4 blackboxes could not been found is impossible.
This is defently a cover up.
But the thruth will come out one of these days.
I think that the tape's reveal some other people name who whe could not convict or try to get because that would been impossible fore political reasons or what so ever, And also remember despite the believe that your country is so superior military it is not
America is not that powerfull not even military.
Europe,China,Russai and India are together much stronger.
I Agree that Bush isnt the AntiChrist but perhaps just an evil man who happens to be the most powerfull man in the world. The Government Lieing ti the amarican people wasnt annithing new and we know they had a lot of warnings beforhand and did nothing abbout it , Why you ask? look at it this way wouls we the people condone an invasion without it? keep in mind that the US is the ONLY world power and in order to keep that way we need to controll 2 things the oil and the Drug Trade. Many may scoff at the latter but its public record that many Gov agencys and Big Corperations have had there fingers into Drug mony ite the liquid assett that keeps oure economy going. All this is Publick record but the Government knows that the majority doesnt botherto read they prefer to be spoonfed what the mass media feeds em.
I cannot believe there are Americans still gullible enought to believe that 9-11 was not a planned military operation by the US Government Corporation.
I also cannot believe that there are people who honestly believe that OBL was responsible. Damn the facts to Hell, I guess, and just respond as the neocons want you to respond, with adoring trust and faith in a government that seldom tells the truth, if ever.
To those who believe the US Government would not initiate an attack on its own soil against its own countrymen, I refer you to reflect on Pearl Harbor and the events leading up to it. I am not saying for sure that the USG was flying the planes into the WTC - because frankly we just don't know for sure (I did hear somewhere that some of the accused hijackers were turning up alive... I'll have to try to find that again).
Anyway, back to my point, the USG instigated Japan into attacking through a series of politcal moves that included cutting off Japan's oil and steel supplies, and sending troops to fight with China against Japan. Japan had no choice but to attack at Pearl Harbor (read the story of the Admiral - initially dishonorably discharged, but later reinstated after a court wnet over the records) [for a great resource see Richard Maybury's 'Uncle Eric' book on World War II].
As far as the Afghanistan link goes, the USG started bombing them in 1998, why wouldn't they feel like they had to retaliate in some way? Also, of note, the USG was planning to start bombing Afghanistan again at the end of Sep. 2001 - [Federal Register/Vol. 66 No. 89/Tuesday, May 8, 2001/Notices] Again, I don't know for sure (as I am still researching) if the planes were in fact hijacked or if the hijackers were from Afghanistan, but that is the official story and at this time this seems to coincide well with that and has historical precednt in this country.
As I am at work and don't have all of my documentation in front of me I think I will keep it at this for now...
Question everything, and question it again until you are satisfied that you have gotten all of the facts and just the facts.
You all are giving Bush entirely too much credit. He's a puppet, or more correctly, a marionette, with many strings attached to real scumbags behind the scenes. He's a front, a shill, and he will fall on his sword to preserve the beast behind it all. May God have mercy on us all!
Many libertarians, including this one, have proposed making it a crime, punishable by public hanging, for any government employee to lie to any member of the public for any reason. If this law had been in force since September 11, 2001, we would have a very different appreciation by now of what happened on that day.
How do you all type with your arms strapped to the gurnys?
What a bunch of LOONS.
It is known as a "false flag" operation. You disguise your own soldiers or mercenaries or somebody to attack your own people so that can take actions you had planned in advance. The Romans used this with great success for a very, very long time. Machiavelli writes about it in "The Prince". It is, quite literally, the oldest trick in the book. Where do you think the saying "Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer" comes from. First, guarantee that you have the force to completely overwhelm any enemy. Second, keep that enemy so close that anyone would mistake them for your friend. Then, mistreat your "friend". Because you are so close you will read him like a book and know when and how he plans to attack you. Now plan your response so you can get the most benefit from it.
The United States government has misled the American public into almost every major conflict. Germany told us frankly to stop using commercial ships to transport arms to England or they would sink one. We ignored them, continued to ship arms in commercial liners, and then reacted with outrage when the Lusitania was sunk. In Vietnam the Navy reported that North Vietnamese gunboats were firing on destroyers in international waters. Johnson used this to escalate our involvement in the war. This event, which occurred at the Gulf of Tonkin, is now widely accepted as exaggerated or worse than that; completely false. If you do not believe that our government would engage in a "false flag" operation against their own civilian population then do a Google search on Operation Northwoods. Before JFK was assassinated the joint chiefs were itching for a fight with Cuba. They drew up plans to fake attacks on US airliners and ships that would be blamed on Cuba and used as a reason to invade. Kennedy refused.
People fall into three groups; (1) those prone to simply believe conspiracy theories, (2) those who can only accept findings based on facts, and (3) those with Cognitive Dissonance who cannot interpret new information into a paradigm they have already accepted in full. People in category (1) are of no use in this debate as most of them are holding deeds to the Brooklyn Bridge. I'm a (2). It began for me when I saw the second plane hit the South Tower; not on TV, not on the web, but rather on 9-11 from my office window.
Two things convinced me of complicity somewhere in our own government.
1) On average NORAD intercepts over 60 flights per year after the FAA informs them that it is either off course, the transponder is not responding, or they have lost radio contact. Remember that between New York and Washington DC is the most protected air corridor on the planet. So how is it possible that 4 hijacked planes could roam these skies un-challenged for over an hour? Even after each of those planes had struck the towers there was no combat air patrol flying over our capital. 45 minutes after the second plane hit the South Tower is when the Pentagon was hit. Again, why was there no air combat patrol? This is standard operating procedure for the FAA & NORAD; the rules are already on the books. No involvement from the executive branch is needed. But on this day the rules were not followed. Why?
2) Look at pictures of the Pentagon before the outer wall collapsed. The point of impact is a hole approximately fifteen feet across. There is absolutely no plan wreckage visible on the lawn of the Pentagon. Where did the wings go? Where did the engines go? Where is the tail section? Remember, the only visible damage to the Pentagon before it collapsed was the 15 foot hole. The tail of a 700 series plane alone stands over three stories high. Did it and the wings and the engines get sucked into the hole? And how is it possible that a plane weighing hundreds of tons and flying at over 400mph only makes a fifteen foot hole? In the photos you can even see un-broken windows one floor above the hole. Is that possible? If you look at the security camera video you won’t see a 700 series plane. More over, how is a man who flunked flight school able to bring this plane down on this target flying with 10 feet for the ground but never hitting it?
“Were there bombs in the WTC towers?”
“I’ve heard some people say there weren’t even planes that hit the towers.”
That is disinformation. All it takes is one lie for some people to discredit a body of facts.
Just take the “official story” a piece at a time and analyze it against what the opposition is saying. Don’t look for the truth; we may never find it. It won’t take you more than two months of research on the web and at the library.
“Okay, then if it wasn’t a plane that hit the Pentagon what was it?”
I have no idea. Remember, identifying a lie does not mean you automatically reveal the truth. And you don’t need to know the truth in order to prove that a lie has been told.
I empathize with those of you in category (3); I spent a lot of time there. And when I finally came around the weight of what I was contemplating was like a 50 lb plate in my back pocket. I’ve convinced some friends and some family that there is more to this than we’re being told. “What more?” you ask. I don’t know. All we can do is fight for the truth and what we believe to be right. That’s how it all started; “no taxation without representation”.
Don’t forget your roots America. We’ve been warned before.
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security." Ben Franklin said this. Wise advice from a man who witnessed this nation borne from a war for independence.
“In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.” Dwight Eisenhower said this in his 1961 farewell address as the outgoing president. This based on his experience as an allied general in WW2 and as president during the Korean War.
“It is the responsibility of the patriot to protect his country from its government.”
- Thomas Paine
God bless and protect America.
Yes, several of the supposed hijackers have turned up alive and well. Most had their passports stolen or lost while traveling and believe their identities were stolen. Strange, the 9-11 Commission never followed up on this. But it did makes news in Europe; check the BBC web site. Over 50% of Europe believes 9-11 was in inside job. During a radio interview the following week the German Defense Minister said exactly that.
The Patriot is 100% on the money.
If the lies and coverups were known we might have another Boston Tea Party. Hell, we still haven't uncovered who really killed Kennedy people! Who is to blame? We are for being so apathetic that we just accepted the misinformation which was provided, even though any rational 7th grade student could see the holes in the information which we were privvy to. The same holds true of 911. As long as "we the people" continue to allow ourselves to be lied to the powers that be will continue to lie to us.
Try thinking about 911. Don't any of you wonder why immediately after the election of both Bush's the U. S. was involved in a dirty little war with the same country? What, in fact, does Bush's war have to do with Bin Laden? He's still out there people, and he's still being televised.
I have watched the apathy grow since I was discharged in 1972, and it's still growing. Everyone asks, "what can we do?" In the immortal words of a televangelist David Shuller, "don't just sit there, get up and do something!"
If this was a conspiracy, why would the government have to steal passports from real people? Why couldn't they just create ficticious people (like in witness protection program) and counterfeit some passports?
Over 50% of Europe believes 9-11 was in inside job. So do I.
“It is the responsibility of the patriot to protect his country from its government.”
- Thomas Paine
This whole mess stinks to high heaven. I doubt any b-movie screen writer could create a more unbeliveable scenario and then sell it, but a great number of our fellow citizens have. The holes in the pentagon are barely large enough to contain some folks' pointy heads, let alone a jetliner. Has anyone been successful in making a call from an airliner 5 miles up? Those courageous people on Flight # 93 supposedly were..I'm guessing a lot of deluded souls are praying for Armageddon, don't want to be Left Behind...and have just given up...well, I haven't.
And, obviously, I meant a cell-phone call...
the biggest piece of damning evidence is the seismic records of two small earthquakes at the precise time the two towers came down. thats public record..... controlled demolition
I am one Honorably-discharged U.S. Marine, veteran of the Vietnam war, proud father of grown kids, ex-businessman, successful artist, peace-loving man. I have Mike Ruppert's book "Crossing The Rubicon". I have books by Bob Woodward, Daniel Ellsberg, Terry Reed, G. Edward Griffin, Sterling Seagrave, Alfred W. McCoy, Victor Marchetti, and etc and etc. I am approaching sixty years of age.I have had a wonderful and blessed life.
I would like to get on the record here as being one more American who has awakened to the criminality of this berserk, insane governmental mechanism. I have no doubts about this government's involvement in 911. It most certainly was an "inside job". This dude named "wormwood" is a typical disinformation agent of the government.
According to wormwood, our Government never took out the government of Iran in 1953; never smuggled cocaine into Mena, Arkansas; never flew the opium and heroin out of SE Asia for the French (Air America); never hid bombs inside the Murrah Building in OK City; never burned down Waco; never lied to us with the Warren Commission report; never lied about Vietnam; never lied about the Bay of Pigs; never lied about the Gary Powers U-2 shootdown over Russia; never lied to us about Iran-Contra; never lied to us about BCCI; never lied to us about creating al Qaeda; never lied to us about Bush's grandfather being one of Hitler's biggest bankers; never lied to us about a gasoline shortage back in the 1970s; never produced the Northwoods Document; and on and on the list could go about how truthful our government has always been with we the people. wormwood is here to reassure everyone that UNcle Sam is on our side, and that our government would never murder us, steal from us, or lie to us, and CERTAINLY would never have engineered a CIA covert "terror" event against us on US soil. wormwood is the worst kind of liar.
Dick Cheney was in charge of FIVE wargame "drills" on the morning of 911. Why did Mr. Cheney remain silent about that for three damn years? Why did Mr. Cheney forget to mention that some of those five wargame drills involved inserting fake "blips" onto the radar screens of the FAA and NORAD? Why did Mr. Cheney accept in silence the certain knowledge of the incredible odds against al Qaeda's knowing *when* to piggyback four hijackings onto the back of those wargames? I agree with Ruppert: Cheney is the prime suspect in the attacks of 911. I highly suggest getting Ruppert's book, available here: http://www.copvcia.com
The American CIA created al Qaeda and empowered Osama bin Laden to fight the Russians. Al Qaeda and bin Laden are known CIA assets, just as the Watergate burglars were "non-employee" assets of the CIA. This insanity goes back to the National SecurityAct of 1947, which was written by the man who would later bring BCCI into this nation under fraudulent treachery for the CIA, Clark Clifford; further, Clark Clifford had the services of the two Wall Street lawyers, John Foster Dulles and Alan Dulles, who were Prescott Bush's legal liaison between Hitler's Nazi Germany and the Harriman Company on Wall Street. In other words, the same banking interests which created the Federal Reserve System, Inc., in 1913 were involved in the 1930s in bringing Hitler to power in Germany (George Herbert Walker, Averell Harriman, Prescott Bush, the Rothschilds, the Warburgs, the Rockefellers, the Morgans), and then had the momentum to snow this country's trusting souls into accepting a National Security Act in 1947 which effectively created the CIA and gave the Federal government the "legal right" to LIE to us for our best good. And our best good was too treacherous for us to be entrusted with, so they kept their secrets from us while they pushed for the establishment of a New World Order, a One-World government, which is now conceived as the American Empire thanks to Zbigniew Brzezinski, the PNAC, the CFR, the Trilateral, the Bilderberger Group, and the international banking intrests which owns outright the Federal Reserve. The Federal Reserve owns controlling interest in the IMF/World Bank.
If none of that means anything, just help me find out why, forty years after I fought against Communism in Vietnam, Clinton put Vietnam and China into the WTO? I'd like to know whether I was lied to about my service in Vietnam, about *why* I was over there. End of rant. Thanks. Salutes to all who dare stand up against this evil within. I salute all Americans who have the moral strength to question this government's lies. Got rope?
The Mental Militia
There is a massive coverup going on. I should think people could see beyond the propaganda. One report written by the great researcher and Tony award winning documentary film maker and author, G. Edward Griffin, gives us the following valuable
information from a BBC interview. From Griffins
report (PDF) we read:
Michael Springman was the former head of the U.S. Visa Bureau in Jeddah,
Egypt. In June of 2001 (three months before the attack on the World
Trade Center) he was interviewed on BBC News. This is what he said:
"In Saudi Arabia I was repeatedly ordered by high-level State Dept officials to issue visas to unqualified applicants. These were, essentially, people who had no ties either to Saudi Arabia or to their own country. I complained bitterly at the time there. I returned to the US, I complained to the State Dept here, to the General Accounting Office, to the Bureau of Diplomatic Security, and to the Inspector General’s office. I was met with silence…. What I was protesting was, in reality, an effort to bring recruits, rounded up by Osama bin Ladin, to the US for terrorist training by the CIA." (Has someone been sitting on the FBI?” an interview by Greg Palast, BBC News, June 11, 2001, (Article in Internet archive).
The previous paragraph found in the report on page five is had at this site: http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/pdf/futurecalling4.pdf
We are in dire trouble because of this "secret combination which seeks to overthrow the freedom of all nations, lands and countries." We have days ahead that will rival any nightmare of the past because of this: "our" burning of the Reichstag (US) of the early 21st century. Yes, the government did this vicious and wicked thing. The bomb experts (who never recieved media coverage and were all excluded from investigation) let us know about the plainly obvious realities of the Oklahoma City Bombing, and that the official story was way off. There were massive explosives on the inside of the Federal building. All of us need to watch that first News Coverage coming out of Oklahoma before the mass media coverup moved in to alter the story. Original media coverage documents unexploded bombs being removed from the rubble by the Feds. Witnesses speaking of two distinct blasts etc. These original news feeds can be had in the Alex Jones Documentary "911 Road to Tyranny." This is available at www.infowars.com It is must see for all the ignorant who deride "conspiracy" and poke fun at those who speak the term.
We here in America have had over a half century vicious betrayers in the highest levels working treason. Now, they are getting more ruthless and closer to fulfillment of their total fascist dictatorship which will end in a blood bath against the american citizen who will not go along with their collectivized society. This wicked and secret society who's works were spawned in the depths of hell now threaten us with "guarantees" of more attacks, including nuclear. I think they will be assured of proving themselves prophetic in this aspect. After the next attack, they will most likely suspend the US Constitution as General Tommy Franks asserted will happen in his interview with Cigar Affectionado Magazine.
To read more on the 911 inside job go to
Why were the firefighting teams at the Pentagon spraying water on the burning aviation fuel from a 757? I have seen no pools of foam in any of the photographs released. My experience as a naval damage control officer tells me that foam should have been used on this fire. Water under pressure spreads the fireball whereas foam prevents oxygen from reaching the fireball and thus extinguishes it much faster.
The bad news is that we Democrats lost big last night. The good news is that we don't have much to lose now, we're VERY angry, and we've got a lot of time on our hands - time to find out answers to all those burning questions surrounding 9/11. That's going to be our next mission. I predict that this is going to really hit the fan, and in the next four years we will see the biggest political scandal in our nation's history. (But then, I predicted a win for John Kerry, so what do I know?)
Amazing how you all accept things that happened 9/11... Can't you see the truth? And now you elected Bush again...? What's happening there??
There is no conspiracy. Please end your investigations, immediately.
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NEW ELECTION 2004 UPDATE: (10-29-04)
If Bush/Cheney are reelected Al-Qaeda will launch a biochemical attack in the heart of Times Square, targeting MTV studios, and highly populated areas. Malls in the D.C. area should be on alert. Mall of America, located in Bloomington, Minnesota, is a possible target of attack 11 days after the election or Nov. 2nd, 2004. Attack is said to happen 11 days after election day if Bush is reelected to correspond with September 11th. The number 11th corresponds with Al-Qaeda's plans to launch a biochemical attack. The Sears Tower in Chicago, Illinois is considered a definite target. Employees working in Sears Towers advised NOT to go to work near election, and 11 days afterwards. Developing...
-----update 2---Attacking Sears Tower, etc (update2) - 10-30-04 04:37 EST--------
The latests should be taken seriously. Islamic Jihadist chatrooms, which can be seen HERE, are all consistent with plans of an attack 11 days after the election if Bush/Cheney are reelected...Developing
-----update 3---Al-Qaeda Attack At Sears Tower (update3) - 10-31-04 12:05 EST--------
Dilby has been tipped by sources and our suspicions are confirmed. All employees working near The Sears Tower should consider staying home November 13th, 2004. There is also a notice for employees to avoid working several days after the election. The latest video from Osama Bin Laden, aired on Al-Jazeera, wasn't a rant from the world's number one terrorist, there were hidden messages.
The latest OBL video aired on Al-Jazeera and other news agencies had a subliminal effect with multiple messages, telling members of Al-Qaeda to mobilize, following the outcome of the election. The date of November 13th, 2004 corresponds with the November 13, 1995 car bombing (READ THIS ARTICLE) of an American training compound in Riyadh that killed seven people and wounded 37 others. The year 2004 subtracted from 1995 equals 9, or many may interpret this as September.
Al-Qaeda wishes to repeat their attack but with biochemical weaponry 11 days after Americans elect their next president. Since the years differ by 9, if you subtract, and a planned attack happens 11 days after the election, Al-Qaeda will effectively execute another 9/11 type attack against Americans.
Riyadh is located in the eastern side of the Central Province of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. The previous attack, on November 13, 1995, happened in Riyadh. The September 11th terrorists were Saudi nationals. The simple math may not convince many, but the November 13th date is more than a coincidence. It's widely known that Al-Qaeda plans attacks to correlate with previous events in history. Developing...
I remember seeing the operation in New Jersey
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effects. When they say the boxes were not
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So let me spill my theory about this entire 911 tragedy. I think this entire tragedy was completed by a bunch of idiots that got together and said, "Let's hijack a bunch of planes and crash them into these sites...." The evidence shows Mohammed Atta and a few others on airport surveillance cameras boarding these flights. Their mission was about 90% successful. The Flight 93 that crashed in Pennsylvania was probably headed for the White House----I doubt it was shot down. The only difficult task was pin-pointing the coordinates of their targets. And the idiots used carpet knives? This was such an amateur attack. These terrorists were nothing but a bunch of little cowards who believed in an invisible man in outer space (god) and would be forgiven for their stupid mission.
Of course I can't count out our foolish government either. I doubt they allowed 911 to happen----or knew it would happen, but once it happened, I believe they used the attack on many excuses to cover their mistakes. Like Iraq (for example). I'm glad they found the WMDs...LOL
Osama Bin Laden perhaps claimed responsibility for the attacks to piss his enemies off.
Besides....where was Sylvia Brown on 910? And last, the Black Boxes? Who cares what is recorded. You'll hear nothing but praying on them from a bunch of stupid terrorists. Remember the victims of flight 93? They listened to the Box recordings. All the Black Box recorded were screams, pilot voices and voices from terrorists praying. Why were the victims of 93 called heros? The victims on all these flights were heros that day. Not just 93.
If you really want to end Terrorism, start by ending Religion!
Why dont you flaming idiots move to Canada or quit badmouthing the country you live in.
The best we can hope for is that Osama will destroy New England and the Left Coast.
Regarding video of alleged terrorists boarding Flight 77, how do you know it was "them"? Because government spokespersons said so, and the media quoted them? By the way, it was alleged to be Hani Hanjour and another of the alleged Flight 77 hijackers, not Atta.
Actually the people shown in the video were going through security, not turning in their tickets at the ticket counter. Given that, *how did anyone figure out which snippet of all the security video they were in*? You can make guesses about facial identification technology, but shouldn't the news reports have at least *asked* that question? No, because most media people don't even seem to think for themselves, much less assume that anyone watching the report will do so.
Also, why did it take this long to get this information? If it was worth the trouble to get these videos, why did it take three years? Could it have had anything to do with the success of the 9/11 Truth movement?
The end of the report I saw showed an animation of Flight 77 diving down into the Pentagon at way too steep an angle, and from the wrong direction. But who cares? It's just the TV news. Why should anyone assume anything they say about terrorism has anything to do with the truth?
Regarding accused hijackers turning up alive:
Regarding bad-mouthing the country I live in: Can't you distinguish between a country's government and its people? Between its form of government, and the particular people who are in office at a certain time? Between a country's -- or a person's -- stated values, and actual behavior?
To take you away from the actual 9/11 discussion for a moment, I have a book for you to read.
This will show you how America works and has worked for the last 50 years.
The book is called: "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man," by John Perkins.
This will give you answers to many questions about how your government and corporations can and do deceive you and many other countries around the world.
Your leaders are guilty of war crimes and murder, not counting the governments they have overthrown, and economies they have ruined for the sake of profit.
I have read the book twice, and I will read it again. It is a must read for all American citizens.
maybe 1st world countries should'nt have used so much energy then weaker countries wouldn't need to be invaded for oil and other riches and events like 9/11 would never happen. Everything on this planet has a life span nature, human life even governments none of them last forever. i think we should start doing some good for the world and not scaring each other into war and ultimatly complete destruction. be happy it's never as bad as it seems.
Many libertarians, including this one, have proposed making it a crime, punishable by public hanging, for any government employee to lie to any member of the public for any reason. If this law had been in force since September 11, 2001, we would have a very different appreciation by now of what happened on that day.
How can you punish the ones that enforce the law?
If this was a conspiracy, why would the government have to steal passports from real people? Why couldn't they just create ficticious people (like in witness protection program) and counterfeit some passports?
Because they would have to construct fake documents tieing them to alqueda, etc, its much easier to use an already known alqueda henchman
I find it hard to believe there was any black boxes on the 2 planes that hit the twin towers.Why would the conspirators behind this slaughter take the chance of more info actually getting to the public or someone not currupt that wields power ? Wheres the evidence that there was even anyone in those planes ? Larry Silverstein says when asked about wtc 7" they decided to pull it " When did they have time to wire it for demolishing ? Who did the " pull " ?Get behind the Ellen Mariani petition to get a real investigation happening.The 9/11 commision report was a farce.There are hundreds of unanswered questions about 9/11 .
hey every1, im a "average" 15 yr old student (which means im very oblivious to this) who is just doing a report on on 9/11. Reading all of this "cover up" has just opened my ignorent eyes to this. Using ANY american lives (or any live for that matter) for a fake conspiracy such as this makes me just sick... especially the government just blaming in on terrorist sterotypes to cover their treason. This country is founded on equality, liberty, and freedom and it abhors one (such as myself) to see what all that has turn into. If any1 here wants to help me to open the truth to my fellow classmates i would like a few reliable sites w/ lots evidence to show whats really going on, any help would be greatly appreciated. To think i ever supported Bush...
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